Re: The Grave of Hanna Reitsch

Rob Arndt wrote:
On Apr 28, 6:09�pm, CJ Adams <blueb...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
George Z. Bush wrote:

Now you know why I no longer bother exchanging views with him.
George Z.
I guess maybe I did know it, but I was prepared to overlook
it for his other more sane, more interesting posts.

No more. �It's all slime to me now.

Cheers
CJ Adams

It's just a matter of historical POV.

The German people saw the wreck Germany was in 1932 and then Hitler
comes along and delivers on ALL of his promises, transforming the
lives of German citizens and Germany as a nation into a new glorious
Reich of national unity, progress, and worldwide respect. So when war
comes, even under the worst conditions by 1945 you expect them to
throw in the towel... but wait, most Germans still support Hitler and
believe in the miracle weapons in the pipeline.

By the time Hitler became a good Nazi most Germans knew it was over. Most new it by February 1945. There's just something about having enemy soldiers on one's own turf that tends to clue one in.

They wait for another
amazing transition to the ultimate victory and rebuilding of the
Reich. THAT is 1945 German POV, so everything they did as the Russians
approached; from fleeing to suicide; Hitler killing his dog and Magda
killing her children; Hanna + Von Greim deciding to die in the bunker
and then following orders to leave for Doenitz ARE all rational in the
German mind.

In other words irrational to the normal mind.

To not do so would seem out of character for them.

Your POV is postwar Allied victor song and Allied rationale

You live in an "Allied victor's" country, why is it only you see the warm fuzzy side of the Nazis?

concerning
German decisions that seem insane and balanced unequally against the
Holocaust.

There's a good side to the Holocaust?

They did not live under either the prosperity of the Third
Reich or the demise of it. They cannot therefore speak for it
historically out of coerced and manipulated interrogations or solely
on what the SS did. Only Germans can speak of it in their terms for
that time period.

So why do you talk about it? You weren't there and you aren't German.


I realize I have offended some reading this and seem to be glorifying
what is perceived as senseless death. But if you and I had been
Germans (not even Nazis) in Berlin in 1945 as the Russians approached
in fury and revenge- would you not have done the same to save your dog
or your children?

If you had either a dog or a child you'd look for better options, but since you have neither you can't comprehend that murdering one's children isn't a noble option.

Just as you speak of the inhumanity of German troops
in Russia, there was ample proof of Russian Army retaliation on a
massive scale from the German Reich borders east all the way to
Berlin. The bunker was advised and prepared for that eventuality. That
probably was the most of reality they perceived in that surreal world
underground. I do not fault them for the way they chose to deal with
the situation.

That's because you are a Nazi.

Magda Goebbels was a Nazi, and would be expected to be
at her husband's side and the Fuhrer's at Berlin. Naturally, she would
not deprive her children of uncle Hitler nor leave them alone as the
fronts collapsed, trusting that someone else would take care of them
or hide them. They could trust the safety of the bunker and still
believed Hitler would find a way towards either victory or a peaceful
settlement. But Hitler chose death for Germany. What could they do in
that position- desert Hitler too? Face the fury of the Red Army?
Absolutely not. Magda Goebbels could not even conceive life without
National Socialism and therefore, neither would she subject her
children to that nightmare of an uncertain future and/or death at the
hands of the Red horde.

Your grasp on reality is slipping. Magda was not a Nazi in the true sense as you are, she was a social climber who connected with the malignant dwarf to further her ambitions. She no more loved him than her children. The whore could have left Berlin with the children.

Romanticizing Nazism?

You do it all the time.

No. Justifying it?

You do it all the time.

No. Stating Magda Goebbels
position and the conditions of 1945 Berlin in that bunker? Yes.

Like you have a clue. If you were correct why is it so many Nazis left the bunker when Hitler became a good Nazi? Remember what happened to Eva's brother in law? He took a powder while the syphilitic swine was still alive. You may be loyal to the Nazi cause but most of the pigs in the bunker and senior Nazis weren't. They ran away, suicided or hid like the cowards they were. If they were as big and brave as you wish you were they'd stand up proudly and tell the world what they had done.

Himmler even tried to make a deal with the World Jewish Congress before hiding in an army private's uniform. He suicided when he was about to be found out. Some proud, upstanding Nazi he was. Goering was afraid of the rope. Speer kissed a lot of ass to save his one worthless hide. Borman became a good Nazi while attempting escape from Berlin.

What about all the loyal Nazis who stashed money in Switzerland for their own escapes. They stole that money from the Reich. Argentina became a haven for loyal Nazis who bailed out and let the common people suffer for their own crimes.

I seriously doubt the Allies would have spent much effort chasing Magda had ole clubfoot been in custody or dead. Himmler's family didn't suffer all that much at the hands of the victors. Even Hitler's sister came out OK.

You are a fraud, hermione.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
.

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