Re: Erhard Milch

On Aug 19, 7:24 pm, Rob Arndt <teuton...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree with Geoffrey on the German womens' issue.

What you say is all quite interesting but its not on topic.
The issue is not over Nazi ideology towards women but
to the degree of engagement of German women in the workforce.

The reality was that there was a significant engagement of
German women in the war effort which was apparently just
as much as the allied effort, at least by 1944 and almost
as much by 1942. Geoffrey thinks this is just trickery because
10%-5% German farmers women were just wives who cooked strudel and
dumplings rather than assist in the severe labor shortage on farms.



Nazi ideology prevented them from most combat although there were Flak
Helferrinnen, Marine Helferinnen, and SS Helferinnen (plus nurses).
Hanna Reitsch tried to persuade Hitler to allow the formation of
female fighter units, but she was denied- even for the suicide craft
she was training the HJ to use.

Hanna was a bit hard core.

However women were denied combat in all countries and the Soviet union
which
did so grudgingly.



In September 1944 the guidelines were laid out for the Volkssturm
units and even them women were largely denied arms. While it was legal
for a woman to own or use a small arm, practically none were issued to
them. The exceptions were the Flak and SS women which sometimes
carried pistols like the Luger and PPK.

Ironically, any woman could request a Panzerfaust to fight in the
Volkssturm and get it while requesting a K98k was next to impossible!

Women would need an assault rifle anyway.


Stalin took a similar view early on, but since the Motherland faced a
real crisis with the Nazi threat he relented and allowed female
fighter and bomber pilots, snipers, MPs, tankers, and other combat
positions. It worked out very well considering the proportion of women
to men.

A highly sentimentalized view of motherhood is very common in
German culture and is particularly reflected in 18th century art.
The Nazi's merely emphasised this as part of their back to the natural
order of things credo.

Women were in fact forbidden to diet and they most certainly were
not presented with fashion role models with idealized skeletal
figures.
They were forbidden to smoke (leading to a big reduction in lung
cancer
post war) and were taught breast self examination etc.

Not involving women in combat roles reduced the chances they will
become
a target of the enemy, though hundreds of thousands died in fire
bombing raids.

A 'race' or species can more easily endure the loss of a large
proportion of its males than
its females for obvious reasons relating to how many children a women
can give
birth to compared to children a man can sire. Ultimetly of course
this needs
remarriage, serial monogamy, polygamy or some kind of socialized
rearing of
children all of which run counter to European culture and behavior and
European ecology.

Low levels of polygamy were practicesed in some Germanic tribes: if
your brother died you were
duty bound to marry his widow it is nothing like the much higher
levels of polygamy and consanguinity
(inbreeding) found in Africans, ancient Hebrews and other Arabs.

Given the large loss of German men the Nazi's were considering raising
children in common.






And the worst part of the Reich was that even war dogs (Krieg Hunden)
were allowed combat and received Iron Crosses for taking out tanks!
The Germans generally taught their Krieg Hunden to place remote
charges and then run instead of blowing up their dogs like the
Soviets. So you had German dogs that survived the war with medals
rather than women!

Apparently vivisection (experiments on live animals) or cruelty to
animal
could get you executed in Nazi Germany. Pagans see themselves close
to nature.

One of my vegan aquaintences (a very beautifull but truely bent
misanthropic girl) became
quite interested in Hitler when she learned Hitler was a vegetarian
but started hating him
when she found out he didn't like cats.

If von Brauns Penemunde team had of put a dog in space I guarantee you
that Nazi propaganda
would have made sure that:
a/ it was a German breed. Schnauzer, short haired pointer, poodle,
Sheppherd etc
b/ the animal was recovered alive unlike that poor little Russian
doggy Lyulka.


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