Re: Navy


"Ed Rasimus" <rasimusSPAMLESS@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 12:58:56 -0700, "Leadfoot" <notspam@xxxxxxxxxx>
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"W. D. Allen" <ballensr@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Does this guy believe everything he reads in the liberal press?

Liberal press, what a myth. Maybe you'd like a little censorship of the
news
you don't like

I think the reference was to the acceptance of assertions that later
wind up unsupported. See more below:

You mean like finding 500 chemical warfare artillery shells in Iraq supports
the crap Bush and Cheney were trying to sell us as they proved Hermann
Goering right on how easy it is to scare a country to war?

LOL more below on that one





Where was he
on 9/11/01?

I don't know about him but I was watching it on TV and saw the second
plane
hit live Gald we took care of business in Afghanistan but wonder why Bush
can't catch Bin-Laden.

Why the focus on one individual? Certainly he is a target, but finding
one person, particularly in a range of supporting countries can be
difficult. We often find it difficult to find wanted individuals right
here in the US. Dismantling his organization, freezing his funds,
uncovering his plots, etc. seems to be having some impact.

While Al-Queda is a shadow of what it was I do find it astonishing the unit
looking for him has been disbanded And to be blunt the one thing the
president should do in this regard he never has. Appoint one man to be in
charge of hunting him down.

Somehow I just think ole shrub isn't serious about catching him for his own
reasons.



And what the hell does military service have to do with getting it
right?

It gives you a better perspective than the average citizen

Possibly, but the correllation can be pretty small.

From someone with twenty two years military service,

I spent six and i'm sickened by the things Bush and his despicable cronies
stand for

An illegal and rather stupidly thought out war in Iraq. Wrong war, wrong
place, wrong time

Seems that establishment of a democracy reflective of the majority
population in Iraq is a reasonable by-product. Removal of the tyrant
isn't bad either.

Not worth the price. When you get in a fight with more than one entity you
take out the most dangerous one first I think DPRK and Iran fit that better
than Saddams Iraq. And I bet Bin-laden and his fellow terrorist sprained a
bunch of ligaments from praying to Mecca when we invaded Iraq.


But, there's the question of WMD, isn't there? Like
those 500 binary chemical rounds recently unearthed...

Ed, you are probably one of the smartest posters here at r.a.m Probably in
the top 5. Might even be number 1... I'm only borderline mensa, maybe. You
probably have at least 20 IQ points on me. Then you try to pull this horse
pucky

The rounds were not recently unearthed. This is the total found since the
start of the US invasion in March of 2003 to November 2005

There is no proof these rounds were made after 1991 nor that they were under
Saddams control after 1991

There are at least two logical explanations for the 500 or so rounds in
question

The first is that they are battlefield debris left over from the Iran-Iraq
war. What do you think, maybe 10,000 wmd duds left over on the various
battlefields of that war? Think the insurgents might be busy digging up
dud 155mm shells on these battlefields to make into IED's? And that maybe
some
of what they have dug up has been dud chemical warfare shells?

The other is the model of competence the Iraqi armed forces have shown
themselves to be. I mean this is the most efficient fighting force on the
planet since the Waffen SS, right? You could NEVER EVER think they could be
so incompetent as to actually lose the stuff in their supply system could
they?


Or, the linkage
to al-Qaeda, the basing of al-Zarqawi notwithstanding...Or, the
support of terrorism in other regional countries like Saudi, Kuwait
and eastern Turkey...

Whatever. I's still waiting to see the evidence. Somehow I don't think a
true beleiver like Bin-laden could work together with a mafioso like saddam



Torture

Yeah, wearing your jockeys on your head is pretty brutal.

And at Gitmo? Or some secret CIA insttallation in some "friendly" country?

Abu Ghraib
was a failure of leadership in a big way at the brigade level and
below. It wasn't national policy.

Failure from Rumsfeld on down. Remember he offered to resign over AG.
There is this little problem of just not having enough troops to occupy Iraq
and do a proper job of it. The prison warden was an intel type with no
experience. Why him? Because the MP's couldn't find a spare colonel. And
the general officer in charge probably would have liked to surprise the
night shift by showing up unannounced but she was on the other side of
Baghdad and I suspect there were be problems providing security to get her
over there since she just can't hop in a hummer and go.

No the decision by Rummy on trrop levels is going to have profound effects
on our foreign policy for the next 100 years. The arabs are not going to be
like the Vietnamese and work hard to be our buddies after the war has been
over for thirty years



Detention without trial

Geneva Conventions applied to signatory nations and uniformed
military.

I was thinking of Padilla He should have been tried long ago.

UCMJ applies to members of our service. US law applies
within our borders and not to prisoners taken in combat and
particularly not when civil trials would do nothing more than provide
a forum for jihadist propaganda. Military tribunals were the proposed
solution, but apparently some members of the US left don't want that
to happen.

That would be the supreme court correct? With the appeals written by
Military JAG officers? We know what a bunch of liberals they are, right? I
don't think the problem was having the tribunals themselves, this has been
done in the past, it's the Alice in wonder land rules and the Kangaroo court
atmosphere that did them in.

I don't see any cessation of hostilities in Afganistan and until there is
they can stay in Gitmao as POW's. With their treatment corresponding to
their behavior


So, we get detention until we find a way to try within the
parameters set by the political argument. Oh, and don't forget that
when we want to release some of these folks, their former countries
don't want them back!


Some of them were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Fortunately
they have been released but if they weren't jihadist before we put them in
gitmo I bet they are now. Look at the history of Bin-Ladens #2 and see how
he became a jihadist.

Blanket spying without consent of the judiciary

Excuse me? Would you be referring to the USA Today piece about
wireless records that was rescinded when Sprint and Verizon said it
didn't happen for their customers and ATT hasn't commented?

This would be the program that Spector and Bush have agreed to let the FISA
court review for constitutionality, correct?



t r u t h o u t | Letter

Saturday 04 March 2006

Forwarded from Marni Harmony, the minister of a church in Orlando. Joe
is
one of her parishioners.

Is it just me or does "Ms Rev Marni Harmony" sound like some sort of
parody?


Wouldn't surprise me if this is made up. The left wing kooks are just as
devious as the ones on the right with the "500 WMD" crap.


Dear Mr. President:

Until your administration, I believed it was inconceivable that the
United States would ever initiate an aggressive and preemptive war
against a
country that posed no threat to us.

Opinion, but hardly iron-clad when considering terrorist threats.

Until your administration, I thought it was
impossible for our nation to take hundreds of persons into custody
without provable charges of any kind,

Wouldn't apprehension in terrorist training camps or attacks be some
sort of reasonably provable charge? Does this twit think these folks
were scooped up off the streets of New York and hustled off to
internment camps?

and to "disappear" them into holes like
Gitmo, Abu Ghraib and Bagram.

Is there something about "disappear" that seems incongruent with the
news coverage of these places?

Oh yeah those left wing newsies have full access don't they?



Until your administration, in my wildest legal fantasy
I could not imagine a US Attorney General seeking to justify torture or
a
President first stating his intent to veto an anti-torture law, and
then
adding a "signing statement" that he intends to ignore such law as he
sees fit.

The job of the AG is to advice the President. Certainly it would be
reasonable to ask for an interpretation regarding what were the limits
of allowable stress for interrogations. Playing patty-cake with folks
who want to kill you isn't very effective.

Neither is torture according to Sen McCain. Do you think he might have a
little bit more expertise than you in this area.


But, then when we got law-makers involved with get restrictions on
"torture, degrading and humiliating" treatment of prisoners. While I
don't condone torture, I would reasonably expect that any prisoner is
going to be degraded and humiliated. It comes with capture.

Maybe the US should lead by example in this area? Sad this congress has to
do this because of Bush-Cheney



As a citizen, a patriot, a parent and grandparent, a lawyer and law
teacher

Wow, a lawyer and law teacher who is so superficial in analysis. Scary
stuff!

I am left with such a feeling of loss and helplessness. I think of
myself
as a good American and I ask myself what can I do when I see the face
of evil?

Hyperbole. The face of evil looks a lot more like Sadaam, Usama, or
Kim Jung Il.

Some faces of evil are obvious some are not. Ask any police officer.


But my vote has become
meaningless because I live in a safe district drawn by your political
party.

You mean Bush 43 invented gerrymandering for political purposes? We
probably don't want to tell Representative Gerry, a signer of the
Constitution about that--he'd be spinning in his grave.

And I am a disciplined pacifist, so any
violent act is out of the question.

How did this guy earn his pay with that Naval commission and aviator
rating?

Pacifist are made not born. We have a reserve major who graduated WP here
in Phoenix trying to apply for CO status. You'd like to think these people
could figure this out at a young age but they don't.






Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com



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