Re: High Cost of Sportplanes

I'm not buying one either until the price for a new one is about $30k or less for these toys. I equate them with upgraded ultralights which are now around $15-20k these days --- and still too high priced.

When I can build a Mustang II for less than $25k with adequate avionics, and it seats 2 and cruises around 200 kts <--- their is my basis for comparison. No, labor is not included in that, but I bought a used one for next to nothing.

David M.


Jimbob wrote:

On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:44:24 GMT, Ernest Christley
<echristley@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:


This is the tragi-comic state of "journalism" in the enthusiast magazine sector. The bottom line is that the reader counts for zero, while the advertiser is king. And issues like safety and price-gouging are swept under the carpet by editorial apologists.


Bzzt! Wrong. The reader accounts for about $4.50 per magazine. That just barely will cover the cost of printing...maybe. The major revenue, the money that will keep the lights on, comes from....you guessed it...the advertisers!!! And guess, what...I don't give money to people who say bad things about me. And I don't ask that from others. You could have kept Flying honest if you were willing to open your checkbook. But of course, as is all to typical now days, you expect others to sacrifice to coddle you. 


This is bordering on troll territotory, but I will bite.

I think he expects what everyone else expects. An honest review.
Anything less than that is just marketing. I have a susbscrition to
Flying, but I'll be damned if I am going to buy the magazine if it's
just a schill for the aviation comanpies. 

There are plenty of "Marketing" mags out there for many industries.
All they are is marketing slicks and maybe an occasional fluff
article.  They beg you to get a free subscribtion so their demos are
better and advertising revenue goes up.  That not what I expect from
Flying.  If I pay, I expect information.

The thing you forget about in you money equaiton. Advertising pays
the bills, but without subscribers, their advertising doesn't bring in
squat. 

I used to subscribe to a SCUBA magazine that was pretty good in the
past, but then it really started regurgitating the marketing slicks
that the regulator companies produced.  So I stopped subscribing.
They didn't miss me perhaps but that rag is known in the industry as a
hack magazine and I think that the only people that subscribe are
newbies that don't know any better.  Their revenue is currently
suffereing.



Want a magazine that tells the truth and isn't worried about advertisers (cause they don't have any), the subscribe to "Consumer Reports".



Good magazine.  Doesn't have a lot to do with aviation.


Maybe you can be that enterprising individual that is so much smarter than all the guys-n-gals that are giving it their all, Gordon. Personally, I've been building my Delta for over 3yrs now, in conditions not far removed from the Allegro's that are being put together down in Sanford. If I was expecting to feed and house my family from building airplanes, I'd have to look at $100K as fairly minimal.


Hope your plane turns out well. 

And I would expect that most of your equipment is idle while you are
working on one particular part.  This is called inefficiency of
production.  I'm betting Allegro is using an assembly line concept
that is a little more efficient with their resources.

If not, than that's the problem.



Furthermore, sportsplanes will be a marginal part of the aviation scene, even if the planes were available for $25k. You don't make any money with a light plane. They can't even be used as a serious mode of transportation with most pilots, because the weather can rise up at any time and destroy the best laid plans. Very few people could even use one to get to work. They are toys, and they will always be toys until someone finds a way to make money with them other than building and selling them or giving flight training. That keeps the market volume low, which drives the price up. 


Agreed, but even toys have to reasonably priced.


So, get over the price-gouging bull, until your ready to introduce the Arnaut CloudWunker costing less than an average family sedan. If you don't like the prices of the products of offering to you, don't buy it. 



He isn't buying.  That's the point.

Jim

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