Re: Fuel cell vehicles

On Dec 7, 6:54 am, Frank <frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet> wrote:


George Olah, Nobel prize winning chemist,is touting methanol for fuel
cells. Methanol is readily available from coal or natural gas.

Commercial fuel cells are probably not going to be available for at
least 10 years.

Yeah, but the methanol fuel cells still have the carbon disposal
problem. I believe some of them do emit CO2. So, it does not
eliminate greenhouse gases. Also, making methanol requires a lot of
energy. I have been looking for figures on that, but I assume it would
be similar to ethanol production, and that process barely breaks even.
It takes almost as much energy to make ethanol than what you get
back. Depends on the process, some are more efficient than others.
Burning biomass for fuel helps reduce petroleum consumption.
.

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