Re: Change spark plug

aarcuda69062 <nonelson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> In article <dq7i24$4f2$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> Edward Strauss <es8m@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > > > Opinion, opinion ,opinion.
> >
> > > You really DO overuse that word.
> >
> > And you do think that your opinion is the only way.

> Nope, never came close to even suggesting that it was.
> Your claim doesn't even come close considering that I haven't yet
> described the three different ways I can think of off the top of
> my head that resolves the OPs problem of getting the #3 spark
> plug out and in undamaged.

So why haven't you suggest them instead of trying to be a preacher?


>
> > > > This tool became available fall 2005. How were
> > > > these plugs changed before then??
> >
> > > With a 5/8" spark plug socket that had a hex on the drive end,
> > > but it had to be of exact length. Too long and you couldn't fish
> > > it in/out of there, too short and the hex would be buried not
> > > allowing one to get a wrench on it.
> >
> > Exactly what I explained in my first reply.

> Okay, so how is your explanation to go get a longer spark plug
> socket any different than my recommendation of procuring a tool
> specifically designed to address the problem he's encountering?
> Please, address it from the stand point(s) of:
> Cost
> Time spent doing the task
> Likelyhood of the job not being botched

Not knowing what tools he has or can borrow the cost could be zero.
Don't know his skill.
You don't know any of this either.

>
> > > > If a company needs to invent a tool before
> > > > you can complete a task you are the one with the problem.
> >
> > > First of all, I have never been unable to complete this task, but
> > > having it will sure reduce the time needed and lessen the risk of
> > > cracking a spark plug.
> > > Second, tools are invented every day to allow one to complete a
> > > task.
> >
> >
> > It might reduce the time for the inexperienced but, anyone can break a plug.

> It will reduce the time for the experienced also.
> Are you at all familiar with the space constraints involved here
> or are you just parroting what the others with sketchy
> recollections have said?

I know about the space issue and am completely aware of people who like to talk
an issue to death instead of actually doing it.


> > Tools are invented all the time. Does that mean we have to rush out and buy
> > them?

> Only if it's a good idea. remember, you recommended tha he buy a
> longer spark plug socket. Newsflash, he isn't likely to find it
> at Sears, Ace Hardware, Home Depot, Lowes or anywhere else
> besides a tool truck.


I did not recommend he buy anything. I gave my opinion on what I would do.
Do you always make stuff up as you go along? I guess it's easier for you to
generate words this way...

>
>
> > > > The OP does have
> > > > a problem. He's come into a situation he is not sure about. I made
> > > > suggestions
> > > > on how he could do it without finding a Snap-On dealer.
> >
> > > He doesn't need to -find- a Snap-On dealer, he can order the tool
> > > online. And since I was able to find and post a link to a
> > > picture of the tool and how it's used, he's free to fabricate his
> > > own should he so choose.
> >
> > Or to use another way.

> As you said, buy a longer spark plug socket, the likely candidate
> costing around $25.00, and he'll still have just 1/4" space to
> manipulate it in. What fun!

You should buy him one since you are the one making this part up.


> > > > Read the thread. I
> > > > did not say that all Dealership Techs have money to burn. It is not
> > > > worth it
> > > > to
> > > > me to spend $30.00 to change one plug on one engine type. Especially
> > > > since I
> > > > have
> > > > been getting by fine without it all these years. If you need these type
> > > > things,
> > > > buy it.
> >
> > > I will. I know that the tool will make me money, increase
> > > productivity and reduce the chance for a comeback.
> > > As far as you "getting by fine all these years," bit of a
> > > misnomer don't you think considering that you had to ask how it
> > > was done before the tool was released for sale in fall 2005.
> >
> > I knew how it was done. Read my first reply. How will this tool reduce the
> > chance of a "comeback"? Magic tool???

> Yes "magic tool."
> Just so you know, a standard length 5/8" spark plug socket is
> 2 3/8" long, once maneuvered onto the #3 spark plug (with two
> fingers if lucky) the hex end will be below the level of the heat
> shield that surrounds the left side exhaust manifold, meaning
> that it's worthless for getting a wrench on and since there is
> only .700 inch space out to the steering shaft, ratchet and
> breaker bar are out also. The next longer available 5/8" spark
> plug socket is 2 7/8" long and -does- project the hex outside the
> heat shield, -but- he'll have to break the spark plug off to get
> it on because of the lack of clearance to the steering shaft,
> which means he won't be able to use it to install the new plug.
> Catch-22, obvious to anyone who's ever worked on an S chassis
> with a 4.3.

Why do you even bother writing this nonsense? Plugs have been removed and installed
on these vehicles for years now. If you don't know how to do it say so. Making believe
that it cannot be done except for you way is quite sad.

> > > > But, do not limit other peoples ability to do things by your own...
> >
> > > Funny Ed. Go back, check who it was that was asking for
> > > help/advice.
> >
> >
> > Funny is that this is the best you can come up with. Since you won't read my
> > first reply to this topic I'll repost it below.

> Ed, don't confuse the fact that I didn't reply to your half baked
> solution to my not having read it. You suggested a "longer than
> stock spark plug socket." Okay, where does he get one? What
> manufacturer? What part number?
> Seems to me he could have easily wasted as much time or more
> chasing around looking for a socket that likely isn't available
> as common stock as he would ordering the special tool from
> Snap-On.
> Either way, he's going to spend money which is (strangely) what
> YOU recommended and are also carping about.
> Oh, BTW, the only correct information in your first reply was
> that the engine is not a transverse mount. A factoid that the OP
> probably already knew.


He will only spend money if he wants to.



> > After you read it you need to think: This person wants to get a set of plugs
> > in his vehicle.

> And I'd say it's safe to assume that he would like them to
> function better than the old ones and he'd prefer keeping blood
> loss to a minimum.

More opinion. I don't think you know what his goal is.



> > Does he want to sit down and order a tool off the Internet, wait for
> > it to
> > arrive and then finally get his plugs in or, does this person just want some
> > advice
> > to help him through this problem?

> Not being prepared and having the tools and skills is -his-
> problem. McDonalds mentality at it's finest, I want it now damn
> it!
> Looks like he as two choices; order the/a tool and spend about
> the same as your recommendation or;
> Learn to think past the end of his nose and replace the spark
> plug with what he has on hand.


Or if he wants to spend $30.00 and get the job done fast I don't expect
it will be very hard to find someone to put one plug in for $30.00.

This problem has been around longer than you think. Over 20 years ago
people use to cry about putting plugs in V8 Monzas. The same short,
bent 5/8 box end wrenches that worked on them work fine now. Using Google
you might even find a special tool for them...
.

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