Re: Ethanol / e 85 is a loser!!!
- From: Fish <davester_349@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:20:58 -0700 (PDT)
On Jun 30, 7:27 pm, "Tom Duwe" <tomd88SPAML...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"George Mooth" <gmooth...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:05:14 -0400, SimRacer
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On Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:02:58 -0400, George Mooth
<gmooth...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Ethanol / e85 is a loser. I live in the corn belt and it is
making farmers rich but, never the less it is a loser.
It costs more to make than you can get back out of it.
No one would be making it if it weren't for Gov't.
subsidies! I don't know the exact figure, but it is
something like 80 percent as efficient as gasoline.
Racers have known for years that an alcohol powered
race car used *much* more fuel to run a race than a
gasoline powered car.
And now the poor of the world can't afford to eat
because the price of corn based food is so high.
A loser all around!!!!
Geo.
Urban myth. Yes, the push for E85 and other forms of ethanol are
helping boost corn prices, but so are 2-3 "emerging" 3rd world
countries whose demand for food and FUEL have skyrocketed the past few
years. Higher demand for food, higher fuel prices worldwide (needed to
both farm and ship the food), cause prices for the base items go up.
Corn is simply not immune.
Please don't buy into everything you hear on NPR. Corn isn't even the
only place we get the base ingredient for E85...we are also using
sugar.
And don't forget biodiesel. We're using soy beans to make diesel now
too. Are the soy farmers getting rich as well? Or is this just a
corn-only conspiracy?
And don't lay off the commercial farmers and the US society/economy
that have put a lot of farmers out of business over the past 20-30
years. Ever hear of Farm Aid? Think there'd be more corn available if
we hadn't run so many family and medium sized farm operations out of
business since the 1970s?
I wasn't downing the farmers for making money. I was only
against e85 as a fuel.
And, if you consider Edmunds.com an impartial group, their test may be of
interest:
http://www.edmunds.com/advice/alternativefuels/articles/120863/articl...
[begin quote]
The Final Score - Fuel Economy and Cost
After refueling we put the fuel amounts and the prices paid into a
spreadsheet and compiled a clear, side-by-side comparison for both fuel
consumption and cost. Remember, these results apply only to this vehicle and
to the prices in effect during our 667-mile test.
Gas Result: From San Diego to Las Vegas and back, we used 36.5 gallons of
regular gasoline and achieved an average fuel economy of 18.3 mpg.
Gas Cost: We spent $124.66 for gasoline for the trip. The average pump price
was $3.42 per gallon.
E85 Result: From San Diego to Las Vegas and back we used 50 gallons of E85
and achieved an average fuel economy of 13.5 mpg.
E85 Cost: We spent $154.29 on E85 for the trip. The average pump price was
$3.09 per gallon
Gas/E85 difference:The fuel economy of our Tahoe on E85, under these
conditions, was 26.5 percent worse than it was when running on gas.
A motorist, filling up and comparing the prices of regular gas and E85,
might see the price advantage of E85 (in our case 33 cents or 9.7 percent
less) as a bargain. However, since fuel economy is significantly reduced,
the net effect is that a person choosing to run their flex-fuel vehicle on
E85 on a trip like ours will spend 22.8 percent more to drive the same
distance. For us, the E85 trip was about $30 more expensive - about 22.9
cents per mile on E85 versus 18.7 cents per mile with gasoline.
[end quote]
The article is 13 months old...have E85 prices recently gone down or...??
At the above prices, E85 costs would be $504 more for a 12,000 mile annual
average miles driver.
And lastly, why is everything else in the stores beyond *just* corn
getting higher in price? They making E85 out of milk now? or out of
Raisin Bran? If E85 is the sole cause for corn
prices/issues/shortages, what is driving everything else so high?
Because all those things have to get to the store and the
trucks that bring them all burn fuel.
So do all them trimmers, saws, mowers and blowers in that other thread!!
LOL
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in canada, at least in my area E85 isn't fully caught on, but everyone
seems to be mixing 10-15% ethanol in the gasoline. in my area i can't
go to a gas station (except sonoco or shell) without getting blended
gas (for the same price as regular unleaded). with a 10-15% blend,
will fuel economy change compared to regular?
.
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