Re: Please help Me!!


I believe you are correct. Bottom posters have generally been
on Usenet long enough to get brainwashed by the bottom posting
propaganda; 2-4 years. Thankfully, many of those are independent
thinkers who will figure out their first inclination was right,
and return to the common sense of top posting. But sadly, most
will stay with the flawed bottom posting doctrine for the sake
of go-along to get-along.

As you said, Usenet is slow to change but it is surely changing.
Reading further back through time as you go down the page is not
difficult. The method was not broken and did not need fixing.
Bottom posting is a simplistic and poorly thought out idea
that is propagated via the misguided attitude of "Be hip; don't
be a newbie. This is the cool, net savvy, way to do it." (shakes
head)

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 05:45:40 -0800, wayne
<wayne@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I've been emailing and reading usenet for over 15 years. At
first, everyone bottom-posted. It made natural sense because
we only used paper before that and you could only add to the
bottom of a page. With email, etc., things have changed.

When you open an email, the reader always places you at the
top of the message. I always thought having to scroll through
countless replies in a long thread was troublesome. After I
saw a few top-postings, I thought that worked great. I could
read the latest message first. If I needed background info
(for context or whatever), I could scroll down. I tried top
posting for email, and in a short time everyone emailed at my
company using top posting.

Usenet seems to be a little slower to catch on. People are
so ingrained in their processes that they cannot (or will not)
change. Some of the groups I visit are becoming top-posted.
Most not. It's kind of like yenc. Huge resistance at first,
but it is becoming more and more prevalent.

In conclusion, I generally follow the group's (or the threads)
standards, but I prefer writing and reading top-posts. BTW, I
have never used Outhouse Express and only use Windoze when
absolutely forced to.

-- Wayne.

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 04:55:43 +0000, elaich wrote:
JG Wentworth <no@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:9v13v29vssg9orh11e3i1mesq6c8iuu6mh@xxxxxxx:

Please do not confuse the newbs. Anyone who has been around
the technical, software development, and other intelligent
non-sports groups knows bottom posting is wrong and frowned
upon for the reason of logical flow. Top posting preserves
the logical flow of the thread and message headers within
each message. Simpletons bottom post.

No, it's simpletons using Outlook Express, and who abide by Microsoft's
backwards logic who assume that top posting is correct. Bottom posting has
been the style since Usenet began, and many veteran Usenet users killfile
top posters automatically, since they refuse to accept the standard. Also,
because they rarely have anything constructive to add. Now, do you need an
explanation about Usenet and killfiles?

.

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