Re: I hope gas keeps going up...


"william lynch" <x@xxx> wrote in message
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> Michael E wrote:
> > "^^indifference^^" <wheredothebirdsgowhenitrains> wrote in message
> > news:rb2dneIDR51egZ7eRVn-3Q@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>...so all the assholes who bought SUV's and oversized pickup trucks
> >
> > because
> >
> >>they are trendy have to park them or otherwise suffer financially. Your
> >
> > hero
> >
> >>Bush did this to you assholes. How do you like him now chumps?
> >>HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I've posted this before to another who knows nothing about what
causes
> > gas prices to go up, so it fits here to:
> >
> > It is clear that you have no idea what sets the price of fuel, but I
will
> > try to give you a couple of *REAL*, simple factors that effect gasoline
> > prices:
> > 1) Limited facilities to refine crude oil in the US. There hasn't been
an
> > oil refinery built in the US in about 30 years, due to environmental
> > restraints put on the domestic oil industry by the environmentalists.
> > (mostly Democrats) No way to refine the crude, plus high demand for the
> > refined product equals high cost to the consumer.
>
> This is conservative nonsense. More than 80% of the refineries
> in the US have been upgraded and expanded, plus there are new
> refineries in Texas and California, built to replace older,
> more inefficient refineries.


With all of the spin you have injected there, the fact remains that NO NEW
REFINERIES HAVE BEEN BUILT. That is what I said, that is a fact.
Fuel consumption has gone up dramatically since the 60's & practically
every state in the US requires a different formulation of fuel. Most states
require different formulations of gasoline at different times of the year!
The existing refineries in the US are running at maximum production, & new
refineries cannot be built due to environmental regulations that are
impossible to comply with. Increased demand, limited production. Facts, not
theory.



>
> Funny thing on this: companies that completely refurbish their
> refineries find that the new machinery is so efficient that
> they get their investment back in just a few years, which means
> they are *incredibly* profitable after that.


So why wouldn't they built new refineries seeing that the investment is
so profitable?

>
> BTW, anyone who understands arithmetic can figure out that
> unregulated industries cause such gigantic health problems and
> costs that the cost to the consumer is a hundred times what any
> environmental regulations cost. But health costs are much easier
> to pull the right wing trick, i.e. simply blame it on someone
> else until the end of the election cycle.


There is a huge difference between common sense regulations &
regulations that require for example, home owners in California not being
allowed to cut fire breaks on their land because an endangered flea is at
risk.


>
> > 2) Oil drilling in the United States is heavily regulated by the
> > government (particularly, environmental regulations), making drilling
> > domestically extremely risky & expensive unless the company drilling
knows
> > for a fact that oil is below them (which is practically never the case).
And
> > in areas of the US where a vast amount of experts feel there are huge
> > quantities of oil, the government has either deemed the land as
wilderness
> > preserves, national parks, or drilling is not allowed because of
concerns
> > about the impact on the environment, or wildlife. (all of these
restrictions
> > have been largely due to the actions of liberal democrats)
>
> Yes, because we don't want the entire US to look like eastern
> New Jersey. And the actual scientists feel that the reserves
> stated for the protected portions of Alaska and California are
> overstated by about 400%.


Are these the same scientist who believe that "Global Warming" is a
threat to the Earth? lol
"the actual scientists"......? Never heard of them. Please link me to
them.....& don't forward me to moveon.org...

>
> > 3) The world oil market is driven by demand, & the US is not the only
> > country who purchases oil in that market. The oil producing countries of
the
> > world set production levels, and when there is a high demand for that
level,
> > the cost per barrel rises, & when the cost of crude rises, the cost to
the
> > consumer rises too. There are many factors that effect the amount of oil
in
> > the market at any given time, but they all have a direct effect on the
cost
> > to the consumer. Oil is $65.00 per barrel (an all time high), how can
Bush
> > set the price of a commodity that is largely produced outside the United
> > States?
>
> Because he sets the conditions for usage of said commodity;

Bush does this on his own? For the entire planet? Wow....


> i.e. the demand part of the cycle. Average miles per gallon
> of passenger vehicles in the US is down more than two miles
> per gallon since 1/20/01.


And of course, this is W's fault. Does he own automobile companies too?
bwahaaa


This is directly attributable to
> the dramatic increase in SUV usage and deregulation of the
> trucking industry.


George Bush forced Americans to buy SUVs?????? OMG, Call air-america!


>
> > 4) The amount of taxes attached to gasoline. If you had any idea what
> > percentage of taxes are attached to a gallon of gas, you would be
shocked.
> > The state and federal taxes (which are considerable) that are added
directly
> > to the consumers cost of a gallon of gas is not only portion of the
taxes
> > that you pay on a gallon of fuel. I Pa. where I live, the state has
recently
> > issued a tax to the gasoline storage facilities on every gallon they
sell.
> > Now who do you think is going to pay for that tax? Businesses do not pay
any
> > taxes without it effecting the cost of their product to the consumer.
>
> The percentage of taxes attached to gasoline in California is
> between 25 and 30%. Same as it was three years ago, when some
> places were still selling at 89.9 cents per gallon. This is
> a total smokescreen.


On average, 30 to 35% of the consumers cost of fuel is taxes. So at
$2.50 per gallon, you pay 85 cents per gallon in taxes.
How is that a smokescreen? It is one factor of high fuel cost.


It is easy to blame someone that you know nothing of, for a
> > situation that you really know nothing about, I suggest that you
educate
> > yourself, instead of yammering on like an imbecile.
>
> And you shouldn't go around making things up on the fly, and
> repeating the party line like a parrot.



Making things up? In all of your liberal babble, not once did you refute
anything I said.
You just spun the facts with a liberal bent.
Keep in mind, you are talking to a conservative now. We think before we
speak,. We base our opinion on fact. We don't ignore our common sense &
values to further a political agenda.
I know that those notions are alien to you, so jump in your
hydrogen-powered Kleenex box you call a car, & watch my Escalade leave you
in the dust.


Michael E



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