Re: New Points System????

Frank Adam <fajp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On 16 Dec 2009 16:02:56 +1100, CatharticF1 <rasf1poster@xxxxxxxxx>
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Frank Adam <fajp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On 16 Dec 2009 12:59:39 +1100, CatharticF1 <rasf1poster@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Frank Adam <fajp@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On 15 Dec 2009 18:02:57 +1100, CatharticF1 <rasf1poster@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

F1(or any motor racing) is not only a speed event but an
endurance event as well. "To finish first, first you have to
finish". Why not penalise a driver who can't finish
consistently ?

You really should just get a live feed to Fed Ex vans :)

Here is a simple example for you to understad why winning should
not be the ultimate goal.
You beat me by .2 seconds in one race, i absolutely bury you by a
minute in the next race. Which one of us has the bragging rights ?

As none of the alternatives we've been discussing address that, it's
immaterial. Something worth considering yes, but the presence of the
SC alone makes that more tenuous.

Would that be a red SC in the shape of a herring ? :)

Umm - no. How exactly does your preference for a points system do a
better job of dealing with margins than mine?

Perhaps you dont understand the conversation ?
If you haven't noticed, we are in fact talking about the merit of a
win. Take that merit out of your system and you no longer have a
problem.
If you can specify what makes the winner's achivement to a second
place finisher better than a 4th place finisher's achievement to a 5th
placed one, then i may look up.

OK - point number one: You're raising the red herring. There will be gaps
all the way through the field of varying amounts and any of the points
systems we've discussed don't reflect that. So this is just a neat little
distraction, yeah? Or will the line be that we can't reflect the gaps so
we should just give up as the points system is imperfect anyway.

No system will give a true result of a driver's performance over 18
races(apart from the 1,2,3,4..), so whether the system is contrived to
give the winner a leg up or to give the midfield a leg up makes no
difference. It is still a leg up.

So you say that the gap between adjacent positions in points should be
the same: Someone who just missed out on 1st should be as close to 1st in
points as 10th is to 9th. That it?

So presumably: 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

Two 5th places are better than a win.


Why do I think that's flawed? It's relative merit Frank: over a season of
races with varying gaps I believe the proportion of 1st place to 10th or
3rd needs to represent the merit the teams, drivers and public associate
with it. And that proportion is bigger than you seem prepared to accept.

Some people could feel justified in believing a win is worth twice second
place. Can you argue otherwise? I can tell you pretty much every DWC back
to 1970 but I'd struggle with 2nd - how about 3rd? Same with races over
the last season. So the idea that you allocate a proportion of points
*barely reduced* from 1st to 2nd and down is completely disconnected with
that reality.

And consistent with that as the primary purpose of a points system is to
determine that winner, this has to be respected and consistent with this
general opinion. It's about the winner, Frank.

--
CatharticF1

"What you thought was freedom is just greed."

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