Re: rasf1 readership?
- From: "AC" <xxx@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:03:23 +0100
"Mark" <spam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
AC <xxx@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Even so, I do get irritated at the idea that new services like twitter
facebook are simply crap, and olde skool stuff like Unix and newsgroups
some how superior. That's bull shit. On that logic nothing moves on.
service appeals to me, but am not arrogant enough to belittle the
who do find them useful and interesting. Its like reading the Daily Mail
whining on about how all society has gone to shit. Either way, luckily
those who appreciate progress, there isn't feck all anyone can do to stop
it. And while both exist, its pretty low rent to sit there claiming that
what one uses is great and that there is something wank about the new
I totally agree. We don't need to live in the past.
And I'm an old-time Unix user who is writing this using tin with vi
(VIM) as the editor. I don't do that because this is perfect (though
there are features that simply don't exist in most modern GUI-based
systems), but because I got into this stuff a long time ago and it fits
in with the way that I work. Once you have spent years learning this
stuff, it's programmed into your fingers. If you use computers a lot an
can be bothered to go through the pain of learning it, it's often worth
it. If you're a casual user or just need to get on it probably isn't -
the productivity gains (which do exist) just don't balance it out.
Anyone who goes on about the intrinsic greatness of the command-line
just doesn't get the fact that it's horses for courses*.
Do I think all things new are "crap"? Not at all. My main objection to
facebook and twitter is that I don't have the sort of time to waste that
they seem to demand. Many of the things I use and the ways that I use
them are shaped by my personal history. When you had no compute power
and very limited facilities, you find ways to be productive within those
limitations. Now, with really high-quality hardware (and even cheap
systems are high-quality compared with what I started with),
No-one needs to wear some hair-shirt of yesteryear where it's
* As someone who has taught CS undergraduates, though, I have been at
the sharp end of the opposite stick: the young-uns who come in and
tell us that they know everything**; we're all old farts who don't
understand modern computing and we're wasting their time with obsolete
software and concepts. More often than not (sadly), they're the ones
who become irritating in the opposite direction when they start to
understand why we do what we do. :-(
** I've always wondered why these guys (and they *are* almost always
male) bother coming to University - they're clearly already ready to
make their first billion. ;-)
Yeah, its got lots to do with simply what we are used to. Sadly, too many
people think what *they* are used to must be best. But that only works for
It kinda reminds me of religious belief.......
As for your students, I remember thinking that when I did my degree. And to
prove it, I have never actually used anything from my degree professionally.
However, what I realised was that the foundation information learned in the
degree made everything commercial and current make easy logical sense. Where
as the MCSE chaps simply learn a kind of top layer, I can immediately
understand things fundamentally. They only know what they are shown, I can
deduce what they know for myself, if that makes sense. Of course it also
helps that I also have an electronics engineering background. So, I can
perceive computing in and electronic way. Whch Im sure helps, a bit!! What
ever the case, all that seemingly pointless degree stuff I learned really
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