Re: When will we see

Frank Adam wrote:

On 13 Jan 2009 10:47:45 GMT, "Bigbird"
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Frank Adam wrote:

On 13 Jan 2009 01:38:08 GMT, "Bigbird"
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Frank Adam wrote:

On 12 Jan 2009 11:14:26 GMT, "Bigbird"
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AC wrote:


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.com ... >>>>> I can't belive someone doesn't hire
one just >> >> >> for the pure >>publicity >>> value. >> >> >>> >
..... and there for sponsorship opportunities.

Yeah, I've wondered about that too. If the girls can,
at >> >> least, >> >>> > compete in IRL, a few must be able to get up
to >> speed >> in F1. >> >>> >
Didn't Danica Patrick get a test with one of the F1
teams? >> >> What >> >>> > happened there?

Still, I'm pretty sure that for the reasons you give,
that as >> >> >>> > soon as a team boss thinks a female driver can
cut it, she'll >> >> get >>> > a drive.


A 4 time CART champion is having trouble getting up to
speed in >> >> F1, >>> probably blowing his only opportunity, what
chance an IRL >> >> also ran.

-- Bigbird

Some fail, some succeed. Doesn't mean much really.

Winning IRL is not a prerequisite either. I suppose it
gets >> >> >> > > attention, but there is no reason why an IRL
champion would >> do >> >> > > well in a F1 car and the person who
came in 10th is >> >> automatically >> > > ***. It might well be
that Mrs 10th suits F1 >> >> cars more than IRL >> > > cars.

And then, I'm not sure skill or speed is necessary
either. >> We >> >> > > used to have "pay" drivers who had the cash
but were not >> that >> >> > > fast. In this economic climate it
might be worth >> hiring the >> likes >> > > of Patrick just for the
sponsorship cash. >> >> >> > >

It is you that asserted that "a few must be able to get up
to >> >> speed >> > in F1".

I think you underestimate the difficulties they would face.

-- Bigbird

Presumably the same ones Monty and Jaques faced. They did
well >> >> enough. >>

Yes but they were both CART champions and both had European
open >> >> > wheel experience.

Mmm.. cars go in a different direction in the US, do they ? :)


Yeah, that's exactly what I was getting at. <shakes head>

It seems that CART champs of the past few years have all got
seats >> in >> low to mid level teams.

Perhaps related to a loss of credibility of the series. So who
are >> > you talking about exactly? JPM went to a top team. CDM went
to >> > Toyota and had a disasterous 2004 season, scoring just 3 pts
to >> > Trullis 31. Why should a top team have been interested?

JPM went to a medium tier team which evolved into a top one while
he >> was there and he did the good that 1 (one) year when the car was
capable, despite Ralf's drilling.

It is almost a bit disrespectful that a
multiple champion of a major and arguably just as difficult open
wheeler series would need to start at the bottom of the pile in
F1. >> >
Clearly you have a far higher opinion of the CCWS than most F1
teams >> > had. CCWS had become a rather low level competition, IMO,
by the >> > time

I obviously do. Champcar was (and still is) damn fast and the
competition is far more fierce than in F1.

For the final couple of years Sebs competition was mainly fat yanks
and F1 rejects.

Riight.. I'm sure you could have taken them all, flat stick until the
tank ran dry.


You're in a very silly mood.

Just because these guys could spank your pants blindfold does not make
them top level competition.

If you calculate in the
fact that for years they were actually driven, instead of being
computer guided, it even gives more clout for that series.

Correct, but cars alone do not make a series.

Actually they do.

Crap. Put second rate drivers in great cars and you have a second rate
series.

You seem to believe that F1 has the best drivers in
the world.
What are you basing that on ?


I do believe that some of the best drivers in the world pass through
F1. I base it on their track record.

You seem to believe that any fat yank or F1 reject is just as good as
the best F1 drivers. What are you basing that on, other than strong
alcohol?

bring out a full course caution and reign the sprinter back to all
those cars trundling around a second a lap slower saving fuel. That
is not pure motor racing.

It is still purer than what MechF1 was, because the cars were driven
and raced. Champcars abd V8s still provide racing right through the
field to the last lap, even if there is a clear leader.

You're easily fooled. Champcars are rarely racing flat out.

What's so pure about a race based on fuel preservation and SC
predictions.

F1 tends to
settle into the final finishing positions early on, sometimes even 10
laps from the start, but certainly after the last passing opportunity
in the pits..


Well you're creating your own argument there. I am not trying to
promote F1. If you drop the red mist you might remember that I am
heavily critical of many aspects.

So with that view out there, you understand why i do get pissed off
with your assumption that a 4 times CC champ should take a seat in
a >> grade 5 car.


Your assumption not mine.

As I said at the time he came across to F1, he was very difficult to
know where he would fit in. He was outperforming his peers in a
second rate series.

What do you call GP2 ?


Probably the most entertaining open wheel formula, at least for
2005/2006/2007, I'm not so sure about the latest car.

Would you put Pantano in a Ferrari?

So what about your assumption that a top team should invest
millions in his career?

You do realise that all new drivers pay much of their way via the
sponsorships they bring in ?


Have a think about that Frank.

You really aren't helping your case wrt Bourdais.

Cream rises.

Vettel has managed to gain plenty of recognition at STR...and that
when up against a 4 time champion from a "pure motor racing" series.

Let's see where that takes him, hey ? He has already moved "up" to RBR
so the road is certainly paved. Just like some other 'cream' such as
Button, Webber, Heidfeld, Barrichello, DC, etc..
In short, the cream only rises in F1 if the powers to be want it to
rise.


What do you expect to happen Frank?

You are not really making any point.

You don't seem to have anything to say without making false assumptions
about my viewpoint.

My point to AC was that if Bourdais (the class of his series) has
struggled to get up to speed in F1, what hope some also ran Female from
the middle of the IRL pack.

--
Bigbird
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