Re: Kitcar - into Ariel Atom

"Phil Newnham" <pnewnham@xxxxxxxxx> wrote
a425couple wrote:
"Allen" <none@xxxxxxxx> wrote
a425couple wrote:
Looked into it some, (thier) actual times around a race track
did not impress me. Many ways to go faster for less cost.
Such as?
1 Koenigsegg CCX (with TG spoiler) 1.17.6
5 *Ariel Atom 1.19.5*
6 Porsche Carrera GT 1.19.8
10 Ford GT 1.21.9
http://www.topgear.com/content/tgonbbc2/laptimes/thestig/
If we want to - learn - then please help me out some.
What real track used for racing were those above times from?
They're from Top Gear's private track, but real racing driver

Ok, so they must have a track that favors
point, squirt, brake, turn tight etc.
(anyone care to describe where on google satelite photos
one can view it?)

One quote I found today,
"For example, my 4,000 lb M5 surprised me by being faster than
a 1,300 lb Ariel Atom at Pacific Raceways - because it could hit
145 mph on the front straight vs Atom's 125.
One source I found today, is:
http://www1.duc-anh.com/group/arielatom
Can you (or others) from this, or other sites, find out
what the Atom's times for a lap at Pacific Raceways was?
I tend to think that many cars (Stohr WF1, old Stohrs, AMAC,
even Radical) can get around there faster.

All depends on where you want to use it, innit.

Totally agree.
Most tracks have become so 'homoginized' that
there is not the huge difference in advantages
(ala old Monza and Avus favored power & top speed,
Monaco and Nurburgring favored handeling & acceleration)
(i.e. as shown in average lap speed) there used to be.
But track to track still makes a difference.

An Ariel Atom would
probably give a BMW M5 a seriously hard time around Brands Hatch (a
sorted Caterham Superlight R400 with road tyres on was shown to be
almost as quick - within a second - as a Honda BTCC touring car round
Brands Hatch once, and would've beaten it if the Caterham lot had had
slicks available), but would lose badly at Monza.

OK, I accept that.
And since you have lots of Radicals over there,
hopefully you can check and give their times.

And if you're not planning on using it on a race track,
then based on the Top Gear times,
you'll not find much quicker point to point on real roads with real
speed limits (that you may not stick to precisely, but I don't imagine
you'll get away with 145mph very often...).

I'm not disagreeing with you Phil,
but guess I'm cranky and got to rant a bit,
and yours is my launch point.

We lose about 40,000 people every year on our roads.
(I'd be happy to hear what loses in UK and Canada are.)
Certainly speed (in any way pushing near limits of
performance) is a noticable factor in fatalities, and
in injury, and in damage accidents.
A fair number are somewhat combinations of one
person near limit (where by definition they have a
very limited tolerance for something unexpected)
and another person behind a wheel being a dum-dum.
(sorta like WDC Mike Hawthorne or James Dean).
Frankly, my days of trying to get dum-dums off road
are mostly over. And our society is not going to go
to what many of us had hoped for, of requiring a
demonstration of competence before allowing driving.
Have to face the horrid reality, lotsa cars now on roads,
and way to many are - euch. Teen age boys with hormones,
teen age girls with cell phones, mothers in great big SUVs
concentrating on their kids, goofball guys trying to eat
or close a business deal.
Many idiots have no idea of the boundries of their car
in a parking lot, or how to get it in or out, much less
their performance boundries.
"Driving is so easy, and in all conditions you can go
10 mph over limit" - yeah, then watch them stack them
all up in a rain downpour. Not a clue!

Getting kicks driving on public roads is just getting to
be a losing, risky, bad, idea.
Have I been stupid before? Oh heck yes,
did a one and a half gainer and destroyed a pretty
nice performance car in the 60's - but at least we
were pretty certain no one else was on that road.
Do I sometimes get a little too frisky now?
Uhhhh, well maybe slightly, MAYBE??

But guess I just do not see any sense in spending the
type of money those cars cost, for highway transportation.
Shoot, not sure that around where I live in the real
world that any of them could really get me anywhere
much faster than my ACR Neon.


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