Re: pit stops

On Fri, 19 May 2006 00:06:31 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mark Jones wrote:
On Thu, 18 May 2006 10:24:06 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mark Jones wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 23:13:32 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mark Jones wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 10:24:45 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Mark Jones wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2006 23:44:48 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Mark Jones wrote:
On Thu, 11 May 2006 09:33:35 +0100, Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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CatharticF1 wrote:
Graham Hodgson <ttgmh@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:4cdtk8F1531q7U1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx:

So you don't think the Ferrari no. 2 does a lot of setup work for
Ferrari?
I don't imagine it's any different to what I'd put in place where the
driver gap were so clear. Few teams are so well defined, and fewer
still have enough guts to admit they'd do the same thing.
So he did do the donkey work! Have the guts to admit it like Ferrari
do.
I resent the term 'donkey work', not the full elaboration of what the
drivers do.
But you admit it was donkey work?

How about if I say: "Massa did all the setup and tyre evaluation work so
MS could win"?
So... Schumacher did all those laps in practice (overall, MS: 30 laps,
FM: 28) because he was bored and wanted to play with the car-cars?

How about a little perspective?
Read my responses to Thor...
As far as responses to Thor go, they don't really address my point.
Since MS actually did more laps in practice than FM did, I think it's
very telling you'd say that Massa did all the setup and tyre
evaluation work.
*yawn*
Ah, I see now. You've proven to me Schumacher did none of his own
setup work after all. Kudos.
No, I'm just bored of the MS==untouchable attitude you have. You trick
yourself into thinking cars jump around tracks, you ignore laws of
physics, you ignore MS using the team's no.2 driver to do lots of his
donkey work, etc. etc.
And you're ignoring the fact that MS did more laps in practice than
Massa did. Why is that?
I am? You are making the mistake of equating laps completed to setup
work. There is some correlation, but the 2 are not equal. The point
still remains, the Ferrari no.2 does a lot of donkey work for the team,
where the team basically means MS.

'Some' correlation? Don't forget that Massa also benefitted from
figuring out which tyre compound was the right one to use - he also
got to use that compound on his car as well. With todays engine
rules, I would've thought practise time would be even more pressured
than it used to be. Both MS and Massa lapped during practise, I think
it's a more reasonable assumption that each was tuning the setup of
his own car, otherwise MS would have done hardly any laps at all -
because why risk the engine at all if you've got another driver to do
all the donkey work?

You are truly dedicated, I'll give you that (I still say you should be a
Bush spokesman, you'd make a mint).

I think I'd prefer a PaulB insult over being called a Bush spokesman.

Ferrari have decided that racing driver #2 (RD#2) will do a certain
amount of the fundamental setup work at a race weekend. This means that
RD#1 can focus on refining that setup for his preference. As a result of
this, RD#2 has a slightly compromised weekend because he has spent some
time (engine kms, time or whatever metric you want to use) doing work
for the team, whereas RD#1 has spent most of his time for himself. This
can result in RD#1 and RD#2 doing similar numbers of laps, but RD#1
having a setup that suits him better than RD#2's suits him.

Follow?

Not entirely, due to the point that both drivers are out at the same
time. Hell, I think Schumacher did more laps on the Friday than Massa
did. If Massa was doing some kind of team setup, then MS would need
the results of that before he could start his 'specific tuning' setup
- otherwise Schumacher's work would be wasted if and when Massa finds
a better 'team' tweak and MS has to start over. The actual Donkey
Work is being done by the test drivers back at Fiorano.

- Jones
FORZA!
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