Re: TDI
- From: Jim Behning <jimbehning@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:19:51 -0400
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:56:54 -0700 (PDT), "pfjw@xxxxxxx"
<pfjw@xxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 14, 2:41 pm, Lynn McGuire <l...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:What caused the Ice Age? What caused the warm up after the Ice Age?
ANWR (Alaskan Wildlife Sanctuary unproven reserves) would cost between
FIVE and TEN BILLION dollars and between five and seven years to
exploit. The total anticipated reserves based on the most optimistic
DOE figures would last the United States nineteen (19) months at
present consumption. The United States sits on 5% of the world's total
proven reserves within its territory or territorial waters.
Proven reserves of oil. You forgot our proven reserves
of natural gas (100 years at current usage rate) and
coal (300 years at current rate). You also forgot the
Oil Shale in the Rocky Mountains (estimated 1000 years
of oil at current rate of usage of oil in USA). We
just need to figure out how to extract that oil from
the shale.
ANWR is just part of the answer to a large and complex
problem. If we dont do it now then we will regret this
in a couple of years (I can hardly wait to stand in line
for gasoline again, 1873, 1975, 1979 and post-Rita were
enough for me. Dont forgot the shallow water oil and gas
in the shelves off the Florida and California coasts that
is verboten from drilling for right now.
Refinery capacity is the very least of our problems...
Then why is Diesel priced so high over gasoline right
now ? Answer, there is a shortage of Diesel in the USA
because the refineries had to make extra heating oil in
January due to the extreme winter we had (global warming
strikes again).
Lynn
Um, with all due respect, piffle....
You don't read for content well, do you? If China or India outbid us
for the feedstock, whether we are strapped for refinery capacity or
not makes no difference - we will have nothing to feed them. As long
as we send our dollars to China and India (along with our jobs), they
*WILL* be able to outbid us. As long as we send our dollars to Iraq in
a pointless war while neglecting our children and their education at
home we will not be able to compete for jobs on an international
basis. As long as Sony can (and did) spend more money in real dollars
doing R&D for their next *game* platform than the US Government spent
on R&D NATIONWIDE in the same timer period, they will continue to eat
our lunch, get a start on our breakfast and target our dinner.
At $9-$11/gallon, neither supply nor demand will be a problem. That
gives you the shale, that gives you deep-steam and carbon
sequestration extraction methods, that even gives you sulphur
injection methods presently practiced in the Qatif & Hofuf oil fields
in Saudi, that gives you coal distillation at a practical level...
Do you really want to be like China and compete with Eastern Europe,
Northern Japan and Central India for the title of most polluted
country on earth? Do you even begin to understand the implications of
"global warming" as it actually happens? Extremes of weather are the
_results_ of it. Areas get dry, areas get cold areas get hot - sadly -
areas that were not that way for 10,000 years before. Global warming
tends to be followed with an ice-age. Kudzu has reached nothern
Maryland - it no longer winter-kills. Think about that as you bitch
about a "record" winter - which it was not.
In general, I would prefer my three grand children to have something
to enjoy in the future. Oil is far to valuable to burn - it is the
primary feedstock for too many things for which there are NO
alternatives -whereas there are many alternatives to consuming fossil
fuel for mere heat.
BTW, the proven US natural gas reserves within our territorial limits
are as you describe. However production costs for about 70% of those
reserves exceeds $5/therm (CCF). That is to get it out of the ground,
not to the end-user. It's there - but your life-style will change
substantially before you can afford it.
As George Santayana wrote: Those who do not understand the past are
condemned to repeat it. Go ahead and look for simplistic, feel-good
solutions for complex, non-trivial problems. Keep that up and the
Uniteds States will become a third-world nation (albeit a well-armed
one) in short order.
Lastly, consider what would happen if the GCC & OPEC were to go off
the dollar and price oil in Euros - as Kuwait, Iran, Bahrain and Dubai
want to do right now. THINK on it for a few moments. The implications
are mind-boggling.
Peter Wieck
Wyncote, PA
I will not argue that the US spends way too many resources as an
energy inefficient nation.
I think you might want to complain more about US stock investors that
are more worried about short term profits instead of spending more on
R&D. The federal government has a role of protecting our borders. I
don't think R&D was in the Constitution.
As long as people continue to be stupid and not insulate their house
properly (cheap fiberglass is a pretty lame insulator), not install
energy efficient HVAC systems like geothermal, buy fuel inefficient
vehicles, dry a mile to eat some crud at a fast food restaurant there
is little hope. I hate the stupid comment of "We need tax breaks to
encourage people to be energy efficient." That is about as stupid a
comment as one could make. Choosing to be an eco-pig cost a person
every month. Every time they pay their fuel bill, electric bill, gas
bill, or propane bill.
Remember your prosperity does not come from Washington. Name a program
Washington has done well. CPSC not so swell. EPA at least has reduced
the number of flammable rivers. DOT has built some handy highways that
allow for more urban sprawl which encouraged greater commuting
distances. Bio fuels caused a significant increase in my dog food up
70% in less than a year.
So what does it matter what currency they use? I buy stuff in Euros
now when I order from overseas. Sometimes in dollars. America is on
its way to being a second tier country now. China and India are well
on their way to being superpowers. Maybe not the military power of the
US but certainly their populations will be more economically powerful
as they become more capitalist.
.
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