Re: more Saturn complaints (casting flaws cause cracked heads)

Steve wrote:
"marx404" <404@xxxxxxx> wrote in message news:48033daf$0$7067$4c368faf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
more Mr. ***.....

Please do not feed this troll.

Good advice!
I work for Saturn and not a word of this unreadable garbage is true as those who own a Saturn already know.

Are you implying that you believe that Saturn engines have not had a "cracked head" problem? If so, I would suggest you need to talk to your dealer's service department and/ or more customers. If you are implying that "MisterFact" is grossly exaggerating and possibly lying outright about GM's handling of the problem, then I'm inclined to agree with you. :)

He got 100,000 miles out of a GM product. If he wanted a longer lasting vehicle he could have bought one. No one was holding a gun to his head and forcing him to buy a Saturn. Many people buy a vehicle with the full intention of keeping it for more than six years or 100K miles, but most of these people are smart enough to do a little research prior to making a purchase. Even before the casting flaw was discovered, Saturn's engine reliability problems were legendary and well-documented. "Misterfact" apparently did no pre-purchase research, and when this backfired on him he went non-linear.

Marx404 is trying to sell Saturns, you can't blame him for wanting to gloss over what happened in the past, and get upset when anyone brings it up. The fact is that those early owners that couldn't get their vehicles fixed under the recall (or whatever GM called it) are unlikely to ever buy a Saturn or GM car again, and a few of them are upset enough about their loss to complain about it forever. OTOH, those that were covered and got their vehicles fixed are probably big fans of Saturn and GM for "doing the right thing."

The current Saturn models bear no relation to the ones with the casting flaws. However it's still instructive to look at the Alldata TSB lists for competing models of vehicles of recent vintage as part of evaluating which vehicles to buy (see "http://www.alldata.com/";).

Also look at the JD Power Long Term Dependability studies. While a good rating for three year dependability doesn't necessarily imply a good ten year rating, a poor three year dependability rating probably does imply a poor ten year rating. It's interesting that 2004 (for 2001 models) is the last year that Saturn was ranked above the industry average in dependability.

"http://www.autoblog.com/photos/j-d-power-2007-vehicle-dependability-study/346679/";
"http://www.autoblog.com/2006/08/09/j-d-power-dependability-results-are-out/";
"http://www.curbzone.com/pit/2543-j-d-power-releases-long-term-vehicle-dependability-study.html";
"http://www.prnewswire.com/mnr/jdpower/12513/";

Saturn has some nice vehicles now, but those looking for a vehicle to keep for a long period of time would be advised to be wary.
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