Re: Hey PATRICK - got the '93 Cobra

On Oct 6, 2:37 am, "Nicholas Anthony" <

Pat you are so right. I have a 2004 Maxima SL with 265hp and it is faster
then my 88 Mustang 5L with a Powerdyne 6lb S/C on it.

You're kidding? Your 5.0 with a 6lb puffer should be making an easy
300.

300hp? I only wish. With the speed density, full Bassani exhaust with cats,
and pulleys I was at a healthy 198hp at the wheels.

Stock 5-ohs dyno in the 190s rw. My Cobra did 220-230 something.

After the Cobra MAF
conversion with 24lb injectors I took off the pulleys and dyno'd at 188hp.

The bigger injectors likely had it running too fat (too rich). The
stock 19s are good up to around 300.

Added the Powerdyne s/c to obtain the 238hp that's a 27% gain which is weak,
car needs tweaking.

Again, your car should be making about 300.

Situation is my car is pretty rare too being an ASC
McLaren. I really wanted to leave it stock, then I got the Mustang itch to
do some mods but conscious tells me to keep it simple improvements and bolt
ons that can easily be reversed. Furthest I would go now with mine is minor
changes in appearance, vastly improve the brakes, make it handle incredible,
with some decent power so I can enjoy it like it was meant to be. In order
to justify modifying my car I plan to get a low mileage mint ASC McLaren as
a "trailer queen" someday.

If it was mine, I'd definitely sort of your lack of power and maybe,
maybe upgrade the brakes. I'd leave its appearance dead stock. Why
alter something that's already rare and different?

But hey it took how
long for these cars to catch up? Not to mention that the 300tq is still
very
high by today's standards.

Now if only Ford would place their 3.5L 6
cylinder in the base Mustang, hmmm......

Rest easy. It's coming. Soon.

Here I go again off on a rant. IMO the Mustang needs to offer a few
different styling appearances with their different nameplates (such as
Mach
I, Boss, Bullitt, etc...)

They are also coming. Ford has stated they'll produce a "specialty
model" every year.

Yes I am aware of that, Let me start over so I can try to better convey my
thoughts, bare with me please. I feel Ford isnt doing it right. The way I
see it is they are milking sales on old legendary icons we love with nothing
to back it up other then 3m tape.

No, Mustang IIs had tape & badge upgrades. These new versions are
better in every way compared to their "legendary" fore bearers. IMO,
they enhance the legend.

It's pretty cheesey to release one
specialty model a year that people can not afford to get consumers into the
showrooms hoping they buy the less expensive models.

No, it's not. It's about keeping the Ford brand alive.

To top it off there is
little distinguishing one theme from another whether they share the same
drivetrain, ground effects, wheels, brakes, etc...

I think the GT500 stands out pretty good. Same can be said the Mach
Is, Bullitts, Cobras, and R models.

Back in the day these
specialty cars had their own image and a purpose, nobody had a clue what
these specialty cars were cause they were just evolving to the needs of the
people.

Trust me. The good ol' days weren't that great.

Today we anticipate and wait for our "flavor" Mustang to become
available and you know what happens when you sit and wait for something you
always wanted? It never lives up to your expectations.

Try this. Go buy a old one then drive it (and only it) day in and day
out every single day. It won't take long for you to miss a modern
car.

Now add this point. Remember back when the aero fox's came out? They were
selling like hot cakes. After a few years people were sick of seeing them
(at least were I live). I remember hearing, "so what kind of car do you
have?" I have a me2, "whats a me2? You drive a Mustang, me2.

When you have a good thing that happens.

Point I am
trying to make is we are going on the 4th model year of the latest Mustang
and they already had sales slumps without any competition!

And gas prices have shot up to 3 bucks a gallon too. Seen truck sates
lately?

Ford needs to
launch these specialty cars more then one at a time with out any
limitations. Make Henry Ford smile again from the grave.

I'm all for more too, but I think Ford is doing pretty good. Just
Since the new car was released they've come up with a 'vert, Hertz GT,
Shelby GT, GT500, GT500KR, the pink breast cancer car, California
Special, and now a GT500KR S/S.

I say we should be counting our blessings.

with a few more engine options producing as many
as they can sell not limited editions which isn't how they became
successful
in the first place, especially with a new Pony War coming.

I agree 100%. That's the way it should always be.

First get out of
the way something for those concerned with economy or gas mileage that
still
has some performance or find a replacement like they had with the EXP and
Probe market. Then a base 6 cylinder, a Hi performance 6 perhaps twin
turbo
like the Lincoln may debut with (reborn SVO?).

Again, I agree. I think a modern SVO would be cool!

Just hope they learned from their mistakes. It wasnt that people didnt want
a high tech Mustang or even a more exclusive costly one for that matter.
What they did want was to feel they got their monies worth.

The SVO died because the 5-oh GT out performed it for thousands
less.

Best way for
that was to make sure it outperforms every thing in it's class and
especially under it. Granted price wise it was on par if not maybe cheaper
then the high tech Starions and Conquest TSi's of the day however in the
same showroom you had a much cheaper Mustang GT that had some serious balls.
If only they produced the Mustang SVO with the 16valve 2.3L Turbo, twin
overhead cam they were going to do before getting axed. :( I believe that
lil 2.3L Turbo 4v was supposed to have 275hp back in 1987!!! Can you say
SHAZAAM!!!

But it's history now.

Yes, it would be nice to see a modern version.

A base 4.6 with a tweaked 5.0
stroked, as well as a base 5.4 with a tweaked 5.8 stroked hi performance.

Hey, we already have a blown 5.4 in 500, 550 and 600-750 HP
versions.

IMO having different engines is an excellent way to distinguish the various
specialty cars. It allows individuality and makes things more interesting
and fun for the competition rather then everyone racing with the same motor,
same mods.

I agree 100%. But emission standards make it hard these days to offer
lots of engines.

Then aftermarket the s/c, single, or twin turbos/ Maybe bring back a big
block to embarrass the Vette

FYI -- the term "big block" is undefined.

I understand your point you are right however there are some acceptable
standards.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_block

Yes, within a brand, but not from brand to brand.

or once again another platform like the Pantera
was since they exhausted the GT40? Ok going back to sleep lol...

I think Ford's high-end stuff is gone for quite a long time. They
need to get the basics/low-end of the market right before they can
play with high-dollar toys again.

Although I respectfully disagree I think you are right with the decision for
different reasons. Just wanted to mention first that this reminds me of the
high end luxury cars of the late 80's when GM had the Allante and Chrysler
had the TC Maserati. Ford had a concept car called the Vignale but didnt
want to go into production cause they felt the market was deminishing for
such cars right around the recession and it had. I have more faith this time
around for a Ford high performance car for a few reasons: economy is still
booming, demand is high, we are dealing with a smaller market segment
bearing less impact on the companies future, it would be a flagship car that
attracts more buyers attention to the company, and once again Ford is void
in this area cause they really shouldnt be using the Mustang to compete with
the Corvette. It's totally apples and oranges.

I agree. But at least we [still] have the Mustang.

Patrick

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