Re: WGN News Report on Pedalcyclist Commuters

On Aug 19, 4:48 pm, gpsman <gps...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Aug 19, 2:28 pm, N8N <njna...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:





On Aug 19, 2:07 pm, gpsman <gps...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 19, 12:27 am, Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVET...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

But
taking my proper place on the road as defined by the vehicle code and
riding to the letter of said code will create confrontations with
drivers who expect and demand gutter riding/passing, sidewalk running,
and all sorts of poor behaviors.

"Gutter passing" is illegal?

Assuming you mean passing stationary and not moving vehicles, "as
close as practical to the R edge of the roadway", to me, means pass
all you like.

That's an a-hole move, forcing traffic that's already passed you to
pass you again,

I'm not "forcing" them.  They could follow me and not pass.  

And if it's a narrow road, that's probably what will happen. Most
drivers aren't happy when forced to travel at the speed of a bike
(somewhere between 10-20 MPH, depending) when they're doing so because
the biker was unwilling to wait his turn in the queue. It doesn't
hold the biker up much to hang back a couple car lengths, and it goes
a long way toward keeping things flowing smoothly.

(And
there's nothing to say I didn't just catch them at the light, and they
hadn't previously passed me.)

not to mention the possibility of being right hooked
by a driver that doesn't expect anything to be passing him on the
right at a red light.

I said I passed stationary vehicles.

Yes, and how do you know one of them isn't planning on a RTOR?


Not to mention that gutter passing is usually
combined with running a red light making it doubly dangerous.

You could not know that, and IME it simply isn't true.

I see it nearly every day, IME it *is* true. It's a rare day that I
see a cyclist stop for any kind of signal at all. Stop signs, red
lights, they're all apparently just suggestions.

My fault entirely, but she insisted I take $1K, and she looked like
she wouldn't miss it, so I did.  Wrote me a check on the spot.
How is that your fault?  Geez, you are wrong even when you're trying
to admit you were wrong!  I agree you should have taken the check and
bought a new bike, not because "she wouldn't miss it" but because she
owed it to you.

Yeah, well, AFAIK there is no exception to the prohibition of passing
a moving vehicle on the R on a single lane road, and I did thousands
of dollars in damage to her car.

You didn't specify that it was a single lane road, and even so it
sounds like she did the damage all by herself, you just happened to be
the obstacle in her way.


If she had insisted on calling a cop I could easily have been cited.
There wasn't any evidence she was signaling L.

There's no harm in passing a vehicle on the right if
it's signaling a left turn (unless it's showing other signs of
cluelessness indicating that signals may not be 100% accurate.  And
even so, that's only a failure of your perception, *not* a removal of
responsibility from the a-hole driver.)

I thought you'd read my story, since you commented on it.

I did indeed.


Whether she was offering other signs of her cluelessness and I missed
them is, some 30 years later, moot.  She drifted L, intending
ostensibly to enter a L turn pocket, but I guess I'm just not as good
at reading minds as some.

And from that I still am not seeing where you did anything wrong, save
for, perhaps, taking her signal at face value.

Damn near got me squished, so guess what I did?  I considered it a
"lesson" I was lucky to still be alive and make useful.

Sure. But the only "lesson" I get out of that is "trust nobody on the
road." A valuable lesson, to be sure... Another that I would
consider a corollary would be that gutter passing is bad and
dangerous, although the situation you describe is not the classic
gutter pass that usually pisses off motorists (cyclist passing a line
of stopped motorists at a red signal or stop sign in the gutter, hence
the name.) In your instance you were not attempting to pass a
motorist or motorists that would likely be passing you again within a
block or so, as she was signaling left and you were presumably either
going straight or turning right.

At the very worst, you'd be guilty of the same infraction that many
motorists are guilty of every day, e.g. shoulder passing a left
turning motorist who is held up by oncoming traffic in the interest of
keeping things moving.

nate
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