Re: Car stolen? You're on the hook for the damage the thief does.

On 2008-07-15, Stan Horwitz <stan@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <C66dnRGugILIj-HVnZ2dnUVZ_tLinZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Brent P <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 2008-07-15, SpammersDie <xx@xxxxx> wrote:

"Brent P" <tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:jMSdnXPi3NPzZubVnZ2dnUVZ_h7inZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 2008-07-14, SpammersDie <xx@xxxxx> wrote:

The true criminals: the identity thieves that duped Choicepoint.
The true victims: the consumers whose information was stolen.
And Choicepoint? Well they're the idiots whose negligence put consumers
at
risk even though CP didn't do anything *legally* wrong as several
frustrated
consumers learned when they tried to sue Choicepoint only to be told flat
out: CP had no legal duty to safeguard their SSN's.

I'm curious as to whether you defended Choicepoint as well.

It's a violation of the social security act of 1939 (might be '38) to use
a social security number for anything else but social security. Of course
government violates that law itself.

And this has exactly what to do with anything? CP wasn't using the SSN as
id, they were storing them and selling them.

They shouldn't have had them in the first place. You asked my opinion on
it and that's it. I go for root cause. The root cause is violation of the
purpose of SSN#'s. SSN#'s are meaningless to credit criminals if they
were used properly.

I am no expert, but if you think banks and other financial services
companies do not have lawful permission to hold onto customers' social
security numbers, you are living in a fantasy land. Try to open up a
checking or credit card account and see how far you get by not providing
your ssn.

I see you want to create some sort of strawman. I said no such thing. I
was asked what my opinion was of the outcome of a certain court case and
given a very short description of the facts. Knowing that under the SS
act that the SSN is not supposed to be used except for social security
purposes I stated where things went wrong.

I suggest you study the difference between what is lawful and what is
common practice. They are often two very different things. Lawfully, the
federal income tax one's labor isn't legal. That is if we are going to
consider the technicalities of the admendment process and all the court
decisions that stated there was no additional taxing power granted the
government and so forth and so on. But then there is practice. The
government does many things that aren't lawful. The federal drug laws
aren't lawful either because we own our bodies, not the government under
the consitution. But that doesn't stop it. There's lawful and then there
is what we effectively live under.

The government has no business tracking our finances. But it wants to so
it has the banks use the SSN. They have the guns. Lawful has nothing to
do it. Actually, I made a bit of an error there. it's the banks that
effectively 'own' the federal government, that is the biggest banks, the
shareholders of the privately owned federal reserve.







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