Re: Vista Checkpoint Nabs Motorists Breaking Laws

On Dec 16, 5:52 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@xxxxxxxxx (Brent P)
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On Dec 16, 5:41 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@xxxxxxxxx (Brent P)
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In article <rcmdnXHIMdV_PfjanZ2dnUVZ_sytn...@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Daniel W. Rouse Jr. wrote:

Here's a perfectly good reason why DUI checkpoints should exist... drunk and
unlicensed motorists shouldn't be on the roads, period! They only cited an
additional 44 drivers, according to the report, which means everyone else
who passed through the checkpoint did so without any notable incident.

I'm sorry, losing our liberty isn't worth your illusion of security.

I also don't think a simple license check equates to "your papers please"
either, since it is a fundamental requirement to have a driver's license in
possession when driving a motor vehicle. Anyway, here's the link to the news
article and a quoted excerpt:

Bullshit. It is asking for our papers. It is checking who we are and
more. The requirement to have our papers with us is exactly what all
police states demand of the population. I do note you've been well
conditioned to believe that driving is a government granted privilege. Of
course the government uses such a thing to expand its power.
It is a privilege because it can't be a right. If it were a right,
everyone would be able to do it, the government couldn't control it,

Is owning a firearm a right or a privilege?

and if you couldn't afford it the government would have to buy you a
car.

Yet everyone who could afford a horse and/or a cart used the roads and
they were far more dangerous than automobiles.

It is a privilege that is allowed without restriction, as long as you
can manage to pass the tests and reasonably follow the laws, which
prohibit, much to your chagrin, such thing as DUI, speeding, etc.

Government has pushed the privilege concept (which really isn't codified,
just accepted) to the point where it uses driving as pressure for other
things, like paying child support. That's the problem with privilege, it
can be with held for what ever the grantor wishes to with hold it for.

The checkpoint does not ask you to prove who you are. Police there
only ask for your license, registration, and insurance.

Um, in the USA, the driver's license is how we prove who we are. The
federal government is converting it to a national ID card with the real
ID act. Obviously you haven't heard of the real ID act, but through state
driver's licenses (under penalty of losing highway funds) the federal
government has brought about a national ID card by stealth.

Most likely
you had to prove who you were when you applied for the license
(current brouhaha over illegal immigration will be ignored).

DL has always been accepted everywhere for me.

You do not have to have your driver's license with you at all times;
only while driving. And you cannot be asked for your drivers license
unless you are exercising its privileges.

I see you've never been stopped by a cop and asked to prove you are
when you weren't driving. I have. They demand the DL.

While I might have some concerns over checkpoints, allowing the police
to look for DUIs before they have to peel them and their victims off
the pavement is not one of them.

I see you don't understand how a free society is closed down. It's closed
down in steps by first going after undesirable groups, like "drunk" (in
quotes because let's face it, the BAC level is already way below the
actual hazardous level) drivers.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Interestingly enough, I may stop driving within a few years, due to
possible poor eyesight. Eventyually my DL will expire. My bank has
told me that I will no longer have identification when that happens,
even though I will look the same to the tellers, who greet me by
name, my picture will show me and my signature ofn the licnce (or
former licence) will be the same as the one of the DL (former DL?)
The bank, Wachovia, will then lose my acount and the investments I
have associated with it. As my signature is on file, I will be able
to make postal transers to another bank with whom I bank by mail and
has never seen me.
(I wonder if Wachovia ever Googles the news groups to see what is
being said about them.)
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