Re: I Almost Wish I Still Lived in Tucson
- From: N8N <njnagel@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2007 06:51:31 -0700
On Oct 12, 9:03 am, gpsman <gps...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 11, 11:09 pm, Nate Nagel <njna...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
gpsman wrote:
On Oct 11, 2:41 pm, N8N <njna...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:44 pm, gpsman <gps...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:04 pm, tetraethylleadREMOVET...@xxxxxxxxx (Brent P)
wrote:
See, this is what I mean about Anderson's unshakable belief system. We've
been over this many many many times on how the system is rigged.
Yes, we have. With some idiots -somehow- coming to the spurious
conclusions that 1) there is "-the system", and 2) that if one light
timing has been fiddled with, they must all have been fiddled with.
"the system" is just a catchall phrase for "the government and others
who profit from red light tickets."
You seem to think "the government" takes its profit and shops at
Neiman Marcus, and that "the government and others who profit from red
light tickets", and their friends and families, would somehow be
immune from contributing to the pot and suffering rear-end collisions
and/or unwarranted citations.
"all (or most) must have been fiddled with" is a valid conclusion,
since it appears that a) RLC's can't show a profit without short
yellows
Got any data from which that conclusion "appears"?
yes, the Virginia study that has been repeatedly linked here, for one.
So... you don't have any data.
The state of VA surely does.
IIRC, that study never mentioned profit, or lessening the length of
the yellow light. IIRC, at one intersection, the yellow was actually
lengthened, and the change in the number of crashes were deemed
"insignificant".
So you didn't read the study.
and b) most jurisdictions won't maintain equipment that
doesn't at least break even
Why wouldn't they just shorten the yellows...?
Why indeed. A good question. If you think on that, you may begin to
understand why people concerned with safety oppose RLC's when on the
face of it it would appear that they would be a tool to *increase* safety.
Define "safety". IIRC, the study showed a significant reduction of a
significant number (800?) pedestrians being run over... and killed.
Did you read the same study that I did? doesn't sound like it.
and c) RLCs are still in use.
The use of RLCs is proof positive the light timing has been
manipulated?!
Either manipulated or locations have been cherrypicked to those
intersections where the light timing is already short.
This is not news.
Spurious conclusions concerning RLCs do not qualify as "news", and
IIRC, the study you have not cited made no such mention of the
selection of intersections.
NOT spurious conclusions, although I realize that that is simply your
catch-phrase to dismiss a inconvenient facts that you don't feel like
addressing.
Bottom line: RLCs can not "cause" crashes. If any driver to your
front slams on their brakes at any time for any reason you should be
able to stop without hitting them, or otherwise crashing. That
premise is supported by law:
Following Too Closely
21703. The driver of a motor vehicle shall not follow another vehicle
more closely than is reasonable and prudent, having due regard for the
speed of such vehicle and the traffic upon, and the condition of, the
roadway.http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/vctop/d11/vc21703.htm
Hence, there is no method to logically transfer responsibility for
rear-end collisions from drivers who fail to operate in a reasonable
and prudent manner to RLCs.
That helps me not at all when I am the driver in front.
nate
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