Re: Women Busted for DUI For Pushing Car

On 30 Jul 2005 04:53:48 GMT, Jim Yanik <jyanik@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>Dave Head <rally2xs@xxxxxxx> wrote in
>news:3nple1tb6cejsa959gv0co0j7qs29cmbmj@xxxxxxx:
>
>> On 29 Jul 2005 15:01:34 -0700, "Dave" <davidphogan@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Dave C. wrote:
>>>> > Who says the drunks would be cited for only pushing?
>>>> > In this case,they both took turns,I believe.
>>>> >
>>>> > Besides,if nobody is "stupid enough to be out in" in that
>>>> > weather,the chances of you getting cited by a police officer are
>>>> > about as low as another car coming along to help you.
>>>> >
>>>> > Of course,YOU would torch your car.
>>>> > You seem to pick poor options.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Well, as the car in the OP was not in an operable condition, it
>>>> would seem that people will indeed be arrested for DUI for ONLY
>>>> pushing. It doesn't matter what the chances are of getting arrested
>>>> for DUI. You can't let your drunk buddies push you.
>>>>
>>>> Oh, and I guess you missed it that option "C" was rather sarcastic.
>>>> Still, if you can't have your drunk buddies push you, and your drunk
>>>> buddies can't sleep in the car, and you are stuck until someone
>>>> pushes you out, what's YOUR plan to get out of that situation
>>>> legally?
>>>>
>>>> Hey, I didn't write the law, and I don't enforce it. You can't push
>>>> a vehicle drunk. You can't sleep in a vehicle drunk. -Dave
>>>
>>>You can sleep in a vehicle drunk, just not if you're in possession of
>>>the keys also.
>>
>> Oh, great. So you come out of the bar, decide you're over the limit,
>> and, since you're the only one there, you have the keys. You're
>> supposed to sleep _under_ the car, then? This makes no sense at
>> all...
>
>Geez,you are sure short on thinking.
>How about opening the car,toss the keys in the glovebox,and getting in the
>back seat?

What's the difference? I'm still in the car with the keys. This whole idea is
nutty anyway. If the law wants to catch someone for drunk driving, the should
have to find them actually driving, not sleeping.

>Or you can call a taxi.Some even take you home for FREE if you are drunk
>and don't want to drive.you can call a friend to come get you;I've done
>that for friends,picked them up and taken them home.
>.
>>
>>>You can also push a car, just can't steer it.
>>
>> How do you know that? Getting arrested for steering a pushed car at
>> less than a walking pace, as it would necessarily be when pushed by
>> women (unless maybe they're body builders) is no less illogical than
>> getting arrested for pushing it on some cockeyed definition of the
>> word "operating".
>
>Only to YOU.Most people have no trouble understanding it.

As a matter of fact, while chasing this story to its root thru a "Wires" search
on Drudge, I came to a news site that described the supposed offense which also
had an opinion poll as to whether these women should be charged at all. As of
last night, it was 57% - 43% against charging them at all.

>> This whole thing is pretty cockeyed, so why do you
>> think you can assume that pushing isn't also an opportunity for the
>> cop to put another notch in his gunbelt?
>>
>>>Re-read
>>>the thread, because you're manipulating ideas quite badly.
>>
>> I think he's doing quite nicely at showing the absurdity of this
>> situation.
>>
>>>In the original article it clearly stated they had taken turns pushing
>>>and steering, the only way they'd know would be if they were told so.
>>>It wasn't the pushing that was the problem, but that both steered it
>>>drunk, and most likely both admitted to it.
>>
>> if they had both _pushed_ it with _neither_ steering it, the whole
>> scenario would be only slightly more weird than the one that is
>> outlined in the original post.
>
>Now you're REALLY getting ridiculous.Do you ever READ what you just typed?

I said it was weird. You don't think its weird?

>>>The better analogy would be that you're too tired to drive, so is it
>>>legal to let your drunk friend steer down a long hill if you soberly
>>>drove it up there?
>>
>> The new question is - since in some places it is illegal to drive
>> while tired, could you turn off the engine and sleep in the car in
>> order to fight being tired? According to these cockeyed
>> interpretations of "drunk driving", you probably couldn't pull over at
>> a "rest area" on the interstate and catch a couple hours of sleep if
>> you have the keys with you.
>
>You're stretching AGAIN.Talk about exaggeration....

Just using the cockeyed logic of arresting someone for something because
they're maybe capable of doing it. The drunk that is sleeping in the car
_might_ wake up and drive it. The tired person might wake up too soon, still,
tired, and drive the car anyway. Its exactly equivelent, and a serious stretch
on the part of the law to assume that if someone _can_ do something, that the
certianty of their actually doing it is great enough to apply the punishment
anyway, whether they've actually done it or not. Ever see the movie, "The
Minority Report"? Its about as far-fetched in its logic as this is.

>> Well, if you're the only one there, what
>> the hell are you going to do with 'em, hmmm? Again, sleeping under
>> the car seems to be what the law (naw, not the law - some cop's insane
>> interpretation of the law applied with no common sense whatsoever for
>> the purpose of justifying their job with yet another arrest) wants.
>
>This is as stupid as your throwing away your cellphone if a ban ion using
>it while driving was enacted.You fail to see common-sense alternatives.

Rest assured that if I can't use the CP where I most need it, I'll not be
paying for it on a monthly basis, and will sell it for whatever I can get.

Reported another drunk tonight - the guy went _way_ left of center twice -
second time almost a head-on with an oncoming car. Slipped over the white line
on the right of the road once, too. Got the license, phoned it it. Oh, BTW, I
was going _straight_ down the road under perfect control while phoning this in,
while the drunk was not maintaining his side of the road. So much for CP
talking being more dangerous than DUI.

>>>In your situations, the sober guy can hold the keys, or the sober guy
>>>can steer, nobody can get in trouble without making up new details.
>>
>> Sure you can get in trouble - all you need is a cop with an active
>> imagination, and a DA that will welcome the opportunity to also
>> justify his job.
>>
>> They _definitely_ don't want me on the jury when they come up with
>> these nut-ball power plays.
>
>I suspect the other jurors would complain to the judge about you and an
>alternate would replace you.Maybe you would be judged in contempt of court.
>The judge might even decide you weren't rational,put you in hospital for
>observation for a couple of months.

>Not that such a case would ever come before a jury.

This case in Indiana will almost certainly come before a jury, unless the DA
has a flash of rationality and throws the charge, and hopefully the overzealous
cop, out of the courtroom.

Dave Head
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