Re: Ways That are Dark: The Truth About China



Bret Ludwig wrote:


The chinese appear to lifting themselves toward our standards of living
quite well,
and without our meddlesome assistance or legacies of the colonial past
where we treated them like ***, and misunderstood most aspects of the
their culture.

The chinese I know are intelligent, scrupulous about hygeine, and
don't mind the truth when they hear it.

I know some Chinese people I think of highly, but they have a
different outlook on life to be sure. I don't wish them ill.

Meanwhile I am unimpressed by Mr W Bush's crap about weapons of mass
destruction
owned by Saddam Hussein as being a reason to invade Iraq.
They lied. They went to Iraq to steal oil.

I hate Bush more than you do because he is more in love with mestizos
than his own people, He is turning the US into Mexico.

He loves the Mexican system where a few families own everything and
the masses are too dumb and disorganized to change things. The ruling
class of Mexico is corrupt, evil, and White. The indios are content as
chimpanzees with the status quo. Well, almost-chimps seem more capable
of at least understanding English. Some of these people haven't
learned _Spanish_ in 400+ years! And they're serving food all over the
US now.

¿Yo quiero Taco Bell?


Meanwhile, old cultures take an awful long time to change, and change to
american gunboat diplomacy won't change overnight.

Well, one did: Perry in the harbor to Paul Tibbets over Hiroshima was
a shorter period than many human lifetimes. A mixed idea at best.

Japanese culture has remained the same since Hiroshima.

OK, a war was lost, but so what. When Japan got busy, they
won later with Toyotas.

Bombing countries in the ME won't change much either, and nor will
pure diplomacy.

I should not say much more; its a grup for tubes, not politics,
and certainly not the right place to review a book of bull*** about the
national
personal characteristics of any nation.

China may seem a bit backward, or bad, inferior even, but average wages
are $2 per hour,
and they slave their guts out to give us their product at cheap prices.

And put us out of what were good jobs.

But americans don't care about each others jobs; they just buy what's
cheap,
and too bad if Joe loses his job because everyone swings to buying a
Toyota
instead of a Ford. Or a Samsung instead of a GE.

Cheap imports raised standards of living without paying huge prices for
US made goods.
There are more consumers of goods than makers, and the comsumers win,
makers lose.

Look what you pay for a WE 300B made in the US.

Its a ridiculous price.

We have had the same revolution here.

Tariff walls had been used to protect Oz jobs and ensure
massively inefficient production of radios and TV sets continued.

A succession of Labour and conservative Liberal governments
have worked to reduce tarriffs on imports which gave everyone a chance
to buy
cheap goods.
Then had money left over for houses and other things that could not be
imported.
More people voted for the reforms to the economy than those voting to
save their jobs.

So where the "good jobs" are lost, blame other citizens for it because
your democracy let it all happen.

They do what we can't or won't.
Take a real good look at our own culture and history,
there is a lot of *** to be found.

I wish the Chinese all the happiness in the world-in China. I'm not
opposed to Chinese products being sold here-IF they are tariffed to
make them cost as much as US goods because of no environmental
controls, worker safety, product liability, and a non-market party
artificial low wage.

You will NEVER see high tarrifs again.
Too many people make money from the non tarriffed low cost of production
imports.

Jolida get their amps made in China for $200, then you see them for
$3,500 in hi-fi shops here.

Nobody here seems able to produce the same amp and use the shops to sell
them
for the same price and make a profit.

The shop take is 50%, $1,750, and the US partner of the US-china venture
makes a huge profit.

A high tarriff would spoil this cozy little rip off, and the anti
tarriff ppl
won't allow tariffs to returns because the price of goods would rise
alarmingly.
A Jolida would go maybe to $7,000. You'd never ever sell one.



$29 DVD players and cellphones are a CURSE on US as a people, not a
blessing. And on yours as well.

BS. the cheap player and phone promote sales on other things.

Don't you undertsand that DEMAND is an unlimited quantity?

If you gave everyone free electricty, petrol for their cars, and
for their food, they'd just spend furiously on all the other things
money can buy.

Since when was the US ever any good at making phones and DVD players?

Oz is a nation of clumsies, and DVD players and phones are not able to
be made by anyone here.
These items are all dirt cheap because NO human labour is used much to
make them.
Long gone are the crowds of girls soldering stuff in vast factory rooms;
everything CANNOT be made this way now and can only be made by robots
and wave soldering
in automated processes doen by machines which have a few computers in
control and a
few folks to make sure the machines all work and the girls just put the
labels on them and
maybe back them for export.


Nobody has a monopoly on being the
best people in the world.

I enjoy books which balance american arrogance titled
Ways That are Dark: The Truth About America.

The original Americans of 1780 were the BEST people that ever lived.
Most had been here for four or five generations. Washington, Hamilton,
Jefferson, Franklin, Adams, Andrew Jackson, they were humanity at its
peak. After the US Civil War it was downhill from there. We are a
degenerate nation now.

A study of history reveal every generation has had a similar proportion
of
rogues and saints.

Claims that there was a golden time in a nations history where people
behaved well
and better than now are all usually sentimental bull***.

1780 to 1865 wasn't a particularly fine time to be around if you were a
black slave or
an american indian.




And when Oz politicians criticize regimes which treat their
people badly, they should remember how the natives here
were dispossed of their nation by shooting parties on sunday,
poisenings of the water holes, and the spread of western diseases,
and the subsequent treatment of the small number of survivors as
trash.

Their only failing was leaving survivors.


My, my, you do have such a wonderful sense of social justice don't you.

Just let me say its no wonder the US flag is burned and trampled
underfoot
in so many countries around the globe.


The australian aborigines have a culture about 60,000 years old.
They never needed to invent the wheel.

I doubt the modern Oz culture will last 60,000 years.

The abbos in Australia formed the ragged trailing edge of what could
be called a human culture. Sixty thousand years and they went nowhere.
I have more respect for mountain gorillas.

Had they "gone somewhere" and invented the technology we have now say
50,000 years ago
after being here for 10,000 years, the world would have become a very
different place,
and one where all the problems brought by the "getting to somewhere"
would have by now rendered the
whole world into desert with carparks, empty acidic oceans and not much
else apart from hot air.

Our constant reliance on technology and the techno fix while generating
more and more pollution and rape of the environment will ruin Earth.
Its a case of going for too much of a good thing.

I suspect the animals at local hogfarm near you have a deeper
understanding
of the culture of surviving well without technology than the Brets of
this world who
champion the use of A weapons to change something, and like seeing
"inferior" peoples and cultures entirely exterminated.
Perhaps you should sit down and discuss your views with some of our
local natives,
and compare what you hear with similar conversations you could have with
some american
indians.
Don't forget to drop into Japan on your way around, and talk to them
about Hiroshima
and Nagasaki, and then spend a week with Iraqi locals outside the
Greenzone in Bagdad.
You need education. And travel is a wonderful educator.
There are a few agent orange affected ppl in Vietnam who could complete
your tour of social engagements nicely.

Just watch out some of these people don't see you as being "inferior"
and
wish to see you be exterminated.

Patrick Turner.
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