Re: How safe operating an amp with no fuse?


TonyP wrote:
Richard Crowley wrote:

"TonyP" wrote ...


I looked that the link with the high priced fuses. I don't think that
they are worth $25 each. IF I had the chance to audition them and they
did sound "better", then, $25 is cheap considering the cost of the rest
of my gear. Unless we actually listen for ourselves, who says it's hype?
That seems to be the prevelant word used around here, "hype". My
question would be, "have you actually tried it


The left-brain and right-brain newsgroups are there for a
reason. People who deliberately go to the other side and
stir up trouble deserve what they get. Either way.

Especially if no one has even bothered to try what he is saying.

I asked the question "Have you tried it?" of every one who mocked and
ridiculed me for merely suggesting that fuses are audible, as a simple
preamble to a technical query I had at the beginning of this thread. So
far, the post count is 180, and absolutely NO ONE in this thread has
admitted actually trying the damn thing. I've insulted my respondents
every which way I could, just to see if the shame of being a
hypocritical presumptious imbecile would inspire these phony armchair
scientists to get off their lazy duffs and try the damn tweak - if
only to PROVE me wrong. Not even that worked. All I got was a chorus
of: "It can't possibly have an effect, because we didn't read about it
in any of our engineering textbooks. You're an idiot for contradicting
our theories and thinking otherwise!". Other than that, there were a
few more subdued dogmatists who, typical for tech-heads, reasoned that
maybe I heard an effect, but it wasn't because of the absence of the
fuse. No, it was because (insert bull*** groundless stab-in-the-dark
theory here).

With the techies muted by their own blind ignorance, and with me the
only one who actually performed some sort of tests on the issue and
talked about it, I'd say I won this little debate about fuses in
majestic fashion. And I had a lot of fun doing so, setting off about
100 propellor beanies whizzing like crazy.



Baloney. Anyone who has done any significant amount of
bench work has performed numerous experiments exchanging,
bypassing, etc. various components, in both the power circuits
and in the audio path. Many of us actually heat up the old
soldering iron and actually design, experiment, test, build,
modify, etc. audio equipment down to the component level.

Sure, that still doesn't answer the question. Have you tried it. If you
have, then report it. Nice that people go through all the design, test
and build. But in the end, how does it sound.


It is know-nothing engineers with primitive (and paranoid) minds, of
the sort you find on this newsgroup and in this thread, that are
responsible for most of the world's crappiest audio gear; particularly
all that crass consumer *** that came out in the 80s (but that is
probably high end compared to the truly cheap crap the midfi industry
produce now). The problem is nothing new: you design amps (or whatever)
to a "spec"; so it looks good on paper. "Hey, who cares how it sounds?!
We're know-nothing engineers, that's not for us to worry about!
Besides, our theories say EVERYTHING SOUNDS THE SAME! WHOOPEE! That
means the only difference you'll see is in the amount of geegaws and
gadgets one amp has over another."

Needless to say, audiophiles (ie. true audio enthusiasts) buy equiment
that is designed to sound good, and not look good on paper. If it don't
sound good, it don't get bought. There are plenty of high end audio
engineers that know that you can't always measure what sounds good. And
if you don't listen to what you design, you're in the wrong business,
chump.



We don't just hook up various pieces of store-bought stuff
and play with different "brands" of cable. Audio devices
are not "magic black boxes" to many of us. We actually
understand the function and purpose of each internal
component.

So, you don't listen to the equipment. Just look at a piece of paper and
then buy it. Sure you do. I don't buy that.


I buy it. I'm sure he and the other primitive minds here don't listen
to their audio equipment, and just buy according to the bull*** specs
the companies put out. Have you any idea how many idiots like them buy
their audio this way? Most consumers buy their amps and speakers like
as if they were buying light bulbs: "How many WATTS is it?". That's
always the sign of a true clueless idiot, when you hear that in an
audio shop.


If you can hear the difference bypassing a power-supply
it is an indication of serious problems elsewhere in the
circuits. That is simply the scientifically-supportable fact.
Anything beyond that wanders into the realm of magic and/
or faith.

This is according to you. You have the sum total knowledge of all of
audio design. I think not. And it is this "elitist" attitude that
troubles me. Audio is about sound.



Not to techies, it ain't. Its merely about theories and figures.


I am sure that he expected the usual replies (all competent equipment
all sound the same when level matched, etc..), but there might be some
other insight in this group. It all can't be of the DBT crowd, or can
it be?

If you can't demonstrate that *you* can hear the difference
in a DBT, we can only conclude that you have an active
imagination.

Ahhh.. the "I know everything and you don't". I am sure you will
continue to buy your equipment based upon a piece of paper. I will buy
mine on listening. Anytime you are in LI, NY, bring what you have and
I'll gladly put it in my modest system (Marsh P2000T preamp, Parasound
HCA 1200 MKII power amp, Von Schweikert VR4's, ART DI/O modified DAC,
Parasound CD player) and prove you wrong.


Techies train themselves to not hear differences, so.... who says they
even will? People like Arny Kruger (their leader) will tell you that if
they hear differences in things they dont believe, its a "placebo".




As for the answers he was looking for...

I'd be fascinated to know what *you* think were the:
"answers he was looking for". His question (indeed,
the subject line of this whole thread) is the equivalent
of "How safe driving to the supermarket without using
my seatbelt?" You can probably get away with it scores,
even hundreds of times. But when that semi-truck pulls
out in front of you at 45MPH, you have bet your life on
it.

Still haven't answered the question. You have made statements as if they
aer facts about how things should sound according to paper specs and
testing. Yet, have you listened to any equipment with the fuse bypassed?
How about answering that first instead of using your subtle inuendos.

Ha, Good luck using their own brand of logic on the techie zealots! I
tried that for weeks over 180 posts, it dont work....

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