Re: New Telefunkens

Ron Capik wrote:
On 12/29/2010 9:06 PM, Bill Graham wrote:
Ron Capik wrote:
On 12/29/2010 7:35 PM, Frank Stearns wrote:
"Bill Graham"<weg9@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

snips

And I have never been on the moon, but I knew immediately back in
the 60's that spending the billions it took to send a dozen
astraunauts there was a huge waste of money. You see, there is
this thing called, "common sense".......

And I've got to call bullshit on the above.

Last figures I read, the estimated direct ROI on the $24B spent on
Apollo returned 7X, across a wide range of fields. And that
actually seems rather conservative if you look at the secondary and
additional paybacks beyond -- everything from materials science,
electronics& computers (primitive by today's standards), but the
steps had to be taken), biology and medicine, even new techniques
in project management developed to handle such a large and complex
undertaking. Set all that aside -- for perhaps one fleeting moment
most of the
globe was united... showed that it is possible.

And then there are the numerous seed corns of imagination and
invention planted in the young minds of the era and beyond; not to
mention the additional pathways to serendipty in science discovery.

Huge waste? It's a massive huge waste that our current clueless
fearless leader cut the Lunar return mission planned for 2020. But
I digress. Not so many years ago the average person, across their
entire lifespan, never journeyed more than a few miles from where
they were born. No doubt a Huge Waste to do otherwise......

Frank
Mobile Audio
I was going to say reading a few issues of
"NASA Tech Briefs" might provide some perspective
of the spin offs and their contributions to society.
Truly just the tip of the NASA technology iceberg.
Another point is that the only cost blown into space
was the fuel and materials, everything else was spent
on stuff here on earth. That spent money goes [or went]
in to the economy, it didn't just evaporate.

Thanks Frank.

Later...
Ron Capik

Spin offs.....Lets see. If I want to dig a huge hole in the ground, I
can hire some experts and tell them to dig a huge hole in the ground,
and they will go to their drawing boards and design whatever it
takes to dig a huge hole in the ground, and dig it. Afterward, I
will have the hole, plus a lot of good equipment for making huge
holes in the ground, and perhaps some other good stuff too, as well
as stuff that is good for nothing and I have to throw away.
Or, I could hire a bunch of experts, and tell them to go to the moon.
They will go away and think about it, and design and buy and build a
bunch of stuff, and pretty soon they will go to the moon. But when
they are done, I won't have my hole in the ground. They may have a
bunch of neat stuff left over that is of great use to somebody, and
also a bunch of stuff that needs to be thrown away. But the major
thing they won't have is a hole in the ground, which is what I
wanted. Now, tell me why that is better than just hiring them to
build the hole to begin with? And, can I justify telling them to do
the wrong thing because of a few items of junk that are left over
that have some use, strictly by chance? Is that how you run your
life? When you need to do something, do you just get up in the
morning and do anything at all, at random, and hope that, at the end
of the day, you might have (accidently) done something useful?

You get, "spin offs" from pretty near anything you do that costs
billions of dollars. But why not do something useful while you are at
it, so you also get the useful thing, as well as the spin offs?

Doesn't that make sense?
I'm guessing you also don't see the
value of pro sports.

Later...
Ron Capik

I have nothing against pro sports, if they are private enterprises and don't use the taxpayers money. If they are "Pro" they should, at least, pay for themselves. I object to my government putting my money into them, because that's not the governments business. I don't happen to like watching most of them, because I can't personally identify with them Basketball, (for example) is not played by human beings. It is a game for 7 foot tall freaks. When I was little, I never liked going to the carnivals and seeing the "Boneless lady", or the "Siamese Twins". I was not raised to enjoy other peoples miseries. I would be interested in basketball were it played by normal human beings. I think they could do this easily, by eliminating the lay up shot. If everyone had to shoot from outside the foul line circle, I think the game would be vastly improved.

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