Re: church sound system design

Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 12:19:02 -0500, Arkansan Raider
<yomama@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Don Pearce wrote:
On Thu, 3 Sep 2009 11:26:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@xxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Not me. I am no doubt far closer than you to understanding how to interpret the Bible.

The instant you use the word "interpret", credibility is gone.
Au contraire, seafood plate. The OT is written in Hebrew. The NT is written in a combination of Koine Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. Are any of those your native tongue?

If not, then it needs to be interpreted. Credibility is not an issue here.


No, not interpreted, translated. The moment you start interpreting,
you are changing the meaning, and that always means filtering through
a modern mind. The original meaning is then gone forever.

Then again, we have many things we need to interpret in our lives. The Bible is not a science book with nothing but statistics and such, but even *those* need interpretation.

Sorry, but that statement doesn't wash.


A God who not only likes, but demands child sacrifice, extermination,
rape and mutilation does not require interpretation. The picture is
far too clear in the original for that. Any interpretation that can
wash that away is simply fabrication.


I'll go into that in another post. I disagree on a number of the points you just mentioned, but I want to make it a separate post for the purposes of clarity.

I simply reject it out of hand,
That's obvious and that ruins any claim you might have to objectivity.

No, my rejection comes from my objectivity. I have examined it and
found it wanting.
You don't sound very objective to me. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I started to explain why some things were written, and you dismissed them out of hand without even a listen.


No, not so. You can't explain why those things were written any more
than I can unless you have sources of information that are denied to
me. All you have is your personal speculation. Either take them at
their face value or ignore them is all you can do legitimately.


I will endeavor to bring some of those sources to you in a readable way, along with illuminating some of the sources you may already think you know--there are many things in the Bible that are easy to misread due to lack of context. I hope I can be helpful here.

I don't mean this as a flame, and don't take it that way--you're carrying on a discussion like this without flaming, and I find that commendable given our present environment.

Just callin' it like I see it.


I enjoy these chats far too much to flame over them. Of course there
will be individuals who draw my ire, but that will be because they are
rude, not contrary.

Roger that. I've been plonked over disagreement before and not been rude--and I appreciate your willing frank discussion without rudeness yourself.


(snip)

I'll have more food for thought for you later.


OK. We both know that neither will convert the other, of course.

d


I won't totally discard the idea, I rarely ever do, but that's not the intent in this discussion. I'm the eternal optimist, you know. ;^)

For now, I'm content to prove that a Christian and a non-Christian can have a frank, no-nonsense religious discussion without the histrionics and character assassination we usually see.


---Jeff
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