Re: Moon Landing Hoax and 9/11 explaination



Quoted post:
If you are interested, find the NORAD radio tapes from 11/9.
There is about 30 hours of audio, spread over 11 channels.
I found them quite illuminating.

Thanks. On a similar note since this is an audio group for those of you
who don't have a good shortwave radio better get on the ball and get one.

Another qoted post:
You're not powerless that's the point. You all have the power to
change things. An organization derives its power from the people
after all. It's you who give away your power with your ignorance and
inaction. Your complacency is what seals the deal and makes it ok
for them to do what they do and get away with it. They control the
education, they control the media, they keep you dumbed down. They
don't want you to educate yourself, to find what's really going on.
Well, it works. It works so well that most people think you're a nut
if you question their authority on the truth. Look at this forum for
example.

I been lurkin in RAP since '95 or so, most are informed yet it's the
tidbits of off topic posts like these that break the ---- ice. Thinking
back to the events of 9/11 there was one prominent visual hook that was
looped over the shoulder of news reporters, the planes crashing. At that
time I thought about an interview of Frank Zappa explaining the use of
'visual hooks' and how manipulative they can be. Leave it up to your
imagination.

Of course what you said is a frightening prospect. That's because
that's exactly what they intended. They want you to feel powerless,
because they rule by fear and intimidation. Look at all the
parallels with Nazism. You fabricate a terrorist threat, make people
scared, they give away their rights like the "Patriot Act'. Research
how the Nazis came to power. It's history repeating itself. The
only difference is, Nazi Germany was more of an experiment and now the
real thing is going to happen. After all, it was the US bankers that
financed the Nazi machine, all for personal profit without any regard
for the common person.

Being informed helps but the *fear and intimidation* can be consuming if
one doesn't balance their thought process. Here again --- get out and
vote. Again Frank Zappa one said (about 1971), that "youngers were
reluctant in picking (voting for)between the lesser of two evils," and
not knowing the reason why. In effect history repeats itself but if one
is informed the vote becomes more instinctual by looking at the
candidates motives and how they present themselves.

Now they can come get you and throw you in jail without a trial if
they don't like what you say about them. Whos to know what happened
to the person? Doesn't that scare you and make you mad; and all for
what? Just for an illusion, a fabrication. Just so a group of elite
madmen can fulfill their power and control complex. It's a high they
get from all their power. Once they have some they want more and it
never stops. We have to stop it for the sake of our planet and
humanity. Don't you see that? They don't care about you; you're
just a number to them, a slave to provide an excess profit for them.
It's just a mafia with the Godfathers being the international banking
cartels.

Again. What good does it do to rile up anxiety and a bunch of other
addictions over something that is so macro. In the mean time, just go
with the flow.

Would our founding fathers warn us so much about the threat
.if it wasn't real? Did you even read the quotes I posted? Is it any
wonder the people who act against them are killed? Is it any wonder
that the leaders of the Truth movement like Jordan Maxwell and Alex
Jones have their lives threatened? If what they say is just crackpot
fantasies then why intimidate them and threaten them?

Correct. Slowly the Truth movement is selectively taken out, see Bill
Cooper, Art Bell, and now the rumor is George Knapp. Alex Jones is
interesting but a little too alarmist for me, though Jones makes his
point there's so much negativity one can take. Picking and choosing what
to accept is more to my liking.

When the people with money control what is shown on the media do you
think you're going to get the truth and nothing but the truth? Come
on, think about it. Even Nova on PBS didn't even mention the
explosives in the whole program. There was just a brief statement
by one of the engineers that the buildings fell similar to a
demolition. That's because it was a demolition. But they didn't
expound on the idea at all, just a brief mention. What kind of
complete explanation is that? And their pancake theory was so bad
that they had to come up with another study, NIST, to try to mend it
and debunk it. hahaha

The debuning campaign is massive based on ad hominem attacks against
the speaker. Ironically ad hominen attacks have leeched and clouded the
U.S. elections. If the U.S. would teach Fallacies in their schools there
could be a better informed public. (see:
http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/fallacy.htm) If the candidates stuck to the
issues instead of claiming the color of lipstick dogs wear, things could
be better.

The NIST study didn't mention any explosives either. They rely on
people's stupidity and ignorance to get away with all this and it's
working.

See link above.

People don't want to think, they are too lazy, apathetic, and
unmotivated. They are just defending their right to be ignorant and
inactive in matters of importance. They don't want to take
responsibility. The productive people are mostly busy working their
ass off just to survive and pay taxes at the same time. This tax is
just theft, without any law to back it up. There is no law that
states you have to pay an income tax. It's all a scam. If 9/11 was
a hoax, then you can't believe anything the media tells you and the
implications cascade to not being able to trust your government on
any matters.

I'm not the one to stereotype because you really don't know a person
until you really talk to them from a variety of angles. These days
its better to claim ignorance and be silent. The sheeple will eventually
figure it out for themselves.

I don't claim to know the 100% truth but at least I try to come to an
understanding of what is going on based on the facts available. How
can we, when it's all hidden from us? We just have to approximate as
best as possible, like a scientific theory. They're not proofs but
they work to explain reality. 9/11 is just an example of that
process. As you can see, there are a lot of facts available and a
lot missing, but from the pieces available you can piece together a
more realistic and truthful picture of what really happened.

There really isn't much you or I can do except vote or contact your
local representative and let your opionion be known.

I think it's much easier to just sit back and accept that the media
is telling you the truth. What initiative or ability to think
critically and independently does that take? None. These people
don't even question the official story. They are comfortable and
don't want to bother. As long as people are comfortable they won't
demand change.
It's as simple as that. They'll wait till a crisis happens and they
start killing off people or stealing their fortunes. Look at the
current bank bailout for $700 billion dollars here in the USA. They
squandered the money of taxpayers and now they want the taxpayers to
pay again to correct the mistakes. They are held accountable for
nothing. Why? Because fools like the people here show how easy they
are to manipulate and fool. All it takes is some entertainment, some
religion, some drugs to dope them up, and some brainwashing with the
media.

Flat out. The people who were responsible for rubber stamping these
illegal loans should all be dragged through the legal process and held
accountable for their actions.

Start questioning things you thought were true and you might be
surprised what you thought was true really isn't the full story or
even close to the truth. That takes a lot more effort than sitting
back and taking someone else's word for it.

Since this is an audio group. I close with an audio related comment.
If there was one piece of literature/writing that influenced my ability
to question everything that I had been taught in the past would be this
article,
Go to this website http://www.jfkmontreal.com/religion_and_politics.htm
Go to the section "Revised History of the Twentieth Century"
Guaranteed. You will never look at a history book and question its facts.

The audio related note is contained here.
http://www.jfkmontreal.com/home.htm
"Rethinking John Lennon?s Assassination -
The FBI?s War on Rock Stars" By Salvador Astucia, April 2004

Astucia's premise is that certain vocal/popular rock stars were silenced
because they were a threat to the agenda.











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