Re: What MAC program for checking CD master for errors? [OT]

John Albert <j.albert@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

<< It certainly is: it won't run any of my existing programmes, it won't
interface with my existing Ethernet, it won't open any of my existing
files. >>

What existing programs are you talking about?

ClarisWorks4 (not 5 or 6, I tried 5 for a while and didn't like it, so I
moved back to 4)
Claris Homepage 3
Claris Emailer 1.1v3
Fetch 3.0.3 (I think an OSX version is available)
MacSoup 2.4.6
PageMill 3.0
Toast 2.5.7
MacDraw Pro
Pagemaker 6.52
Photoshop LE
Photodeluxe v1 (tried v2 and disliked it)
Graphic Converter 2.0.9
CTC 2.1
Peak (I have an OSX version of this)
Coaster 1.0


[...]
Classic no longer runs on the Intel Macs. Having said that, it _IS_
possible to run them, if you use something like "Sheepshaver", but I
haven't tried that. Others are doing it now, but Sheepshaver is
complicated to set up and get running.

If will run all of the above, it will be worth it.


Ethernet? I just unplugged my old Mac running OS 9, plugged in the
replacement running OS X, and booted up the new one. Ethernet is there
as it has always been. If your network connections aren't running for
you anymore, the problem lies somewhere OTHER THAN OS X.

It connects to the Ethernet system but will not allow connection to any
of my existing Macs. Apparently the necessary software was in the OS
until recently but it has been removed in the latest release.

There is a paid upgrade available which will allow OS 8.6 to connect to
OSX, but this will then not allow my laptop, which runs OS 7.6, to
connect to the other Macs - and that would make the laptop useless.

What "files" are you trying to open? Be specific, and we will provide
answers.

Files created by all the above apps (with the exception of common
formats like AIFF, PDF and JPEG). Not only must they be opened, but
they must also be saved in the same format so that they can be re-opened
by the original apps which created them. I have three G3s all doing
different jobs, so I need to swap files between them and any other
machine which joins the network.

<< The whole range of useful tried-and-tested Mac apps and OS features
no longer work and have to be replaced at great expense by other apps
which allow you to 'survive'. There is nothing available which has the
simplicity and usefulness of: Claris Works 4 >>

I run AppleWorks 6.2.9 on both my PowerMac g4 and on my new Intel-based
iMac. It runs fine, opens older documents just fine. It's still a great
tool.

I was told that it didn't run on this version of the OSX (10.4.10). If
it does, will it still export files in CW4 format so that I can use them
on the older machines (and, more importantly, export them to other users
of CW4 who need to be able to read them)?


Your problem IS NOT with Clarisworks, per se. The problem is that you're
trying to run an outdated version of the software on a computer and OS
which now requires an updated version. Then, and ONLY THEN, will you be
able to open and use the older files.

Why should I spend lots of money doing this when I can do the job with
the apps I already have? I don't have any reason to use OSX other than
a single client who insists on a particular format; once that job is
finished, the reason goes away.


I feel confident that I can open ANY previously-created Clarisworks file
you have. If you don't believe me, send one to me via email.

I don't doubt you at all - but it would be interesting just to see how
well your system copes with it. I'll send one of each of Word
Processor, Drawing, Painting, Spreadsheet, Database and Communications,
a pair of Pub & Sub linked files and a couple of mixed file types - all
from CW4. (I will try to use existing files, but might have to alter the
data for privacy reasons).

I can't open them on the iMac because currently:

1) I haven't got CW6
2) I can't get the iMac to connect to the rest of the system, so I
can't import the files.
3) I have been told by a Mac usergroup (uk.comp.sys.mac) that CW6
doesn't run on OS 10.4.10

Also, I tried CW6 when it first came out and didn't like it because of
all the eye-candy. That is why I am still using CW4



<< I don't want to keep one machine just for browsing, especially if it
cannot communicate the results of its searches to the rest of my system.
It is no use for e-mail because I cannot import any of my existing
e-mail documents or applications. >>

What application do you use for email under OS 8.6? Be specific.

Claris Emailer 1.1v3


One of the main reasons I finally gave up the ghost on OS 9 and moved to
"X" is that trying to browse the net under the old OS is getting more
and more difficult, as older browsers simply can't handle the newer
code, and there is so much content on many pages that older Macs no
longer have the brute horsepower to keep up. Try Safari, or Firefox, or
Camino, or even OmniWeb, or ALL of them. You will find browsing a much
more viable experience on the iMac.

I am finding more and more websites are being written in complex code
which doesn't follow basic guidelines and is unreadable on many
different systems (including Firefox on the iMac). If a company can't
follow simple website guidelines and write sites that work on all
systems, that tells me enough about them to take my business elsewhere.

I don't browse for fun and spend only as much time on the Web as is
necessary to obtain the information I am seeking. My hobbies lie
elsewhere. It certainly isn't worth the cost of that iMac to get better
browsing on a few badly-written websites.


As far as your older audio software, isn't there now an Intel-compatible
version of Peak?

There is and I am using it. It is slightly slower on the iMac than the
older version of Peak is on the G3 and there are serious issues with the
unreliability of the optical mouse creating dud edits. I am currently
looking at trackballs, but good ones are expensive and I don't want to
throw any more money at this if possible. (It goes without saying that
neither of my my existing trackballs will work with OSX)


The computing world moves forward, old apps fall by the wayside. You
have to migrate somewhat towards the new ones. I didn't like it either.
But I'm here.

I can see no justification for that. If the new apps don't do what I
want, why should I buy them?


If you need to keep the old Mac running for a while for compatibility
with existing jobs, well, keep it going. And keep the new one on another
table, and use it in a "get aquainted" mode until you feel confident
that it is ready to replace your old platform, and older ways of
working. That's what I did - I played with my OS X Mac for almost THREE
YEARS, before I decided it was time to retire my OS 9 Mac and replace it
with the g4. After I did that, I got the new Intel iMac and am learning
anew on that one.

If it takes me three years to grow to tolerate it, I would rather sell
it now and use the money to buy three years worth of old G3s to keep my
system going. (I could also throw in a DVD player and video projector
and still have cash to spare).


<< When this job is over, I can't see what possible use the iMac will be
to me because it is totally incompatible with all my other Mac systems.
Rather than mothball it, I may as well sell it while it still has a
reasonable secondhand value. >>

This makes no sense. The iMac is quite compatible with older Macs, once
you get used to the fact that the software and applications have changed
and that there will be "no going back".

That is self-contradictory. If there is no going back, there is no
point of compatibility.

You can open nearly any document
created on an older Mac on a brand-new one - PROVIDED YOU USE THE RIGHT
TOOLS. Perhaps you don't want to aquire those tools. That is your
decision.

Those tools do not now appear to be available, the few that were have
now been removed from the lastest version of the OS.

All your "other Mac systems" are growing further and further removed
from _current_ Mac computing with every new Intel-based Mac that is
sold. That is reality, plain and simple.

No. my other Mac systems are not changing at all. It is the current
system which poses as Mac but is in reality more like Windows which is
changing.

There is no reason why you can't continue to do existing work on the
Macs you have now, for they will continue to do tomorrow what they did
yesterday. That's fine, so long as you don't have to take on "tomorrow's
work" that requires new tools.

I have taken on one job for which I was quite prepared to accept change.
I have endured two months of misery and I now hate the sight of the
machine. I don't want another three years of it, I would rather turn
down the next job that demands formats I haven't got (and which, by the
way are quite unnecessary for this particular job).

Your argument is akin to that of the guys
who are still arguing that "vinyl is better", and who won't give up
their analog tape machines... :)

No. I'm not claiming anything is inherently 'better' or 'worse' - but
some things are better for some jobs and some are better for others. I
have an adequate system which works for me, I don't want to spend huge
sums of money altering it to one which cannot work any better and in all
probabilty will work worse or won't work at all for my particular
requirements.

Analogue tape machines are still the best way to play analogue tape
recordings.


I would like to take you up on your kind offer to open some CW4 files.
Assuming the address in you header is correct, I shall send an assorted
bundle and ask you to let me how they run in OSX.

--
~ Adrian Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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