Re: How to get Punchey rock Drum sound????????

Look I'm with ya - but he asked how they do it today and so I told him

"kellykevm" <profkkelly@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Iain Fraser wrote:
>> 2 words - drum replacement
>
> If you are living in a world of cookie-cutter pop(punkster)rock, with
> an endless stream of poor (or to be kind inexperienced) drummers...
> your two words are exactly correct.
> There are those of us who, given a good drummer and a well tuned kit,
> still try to capture the performance. Imagine that! I must admit I am
> not above replacing the odd weak snare or kick hit with a good sample
> FROM THE SESSION.
> My old school mantra: Kids today (you had to know it would start with
> kids today) don't get to play out the way the last generation of
> musicians did. They simply don't get as much time in front of an
> audience mastering their instrument. We used to play gigs - FOUR SET
> gigs. Even if it was copy crap, it was practice that developed
> chops/consistency. This generation plays "shows" (picture a balletic
> curtsey when you say "show"). They play one set of their originals and
> get the hell out of the way for the next band and their posse. I
> wouldn't for a minute demean their potential, nor do I beleive that
> their musical ideas are any worse than in times past. They simply
> haven't developed as consistent players on their instruments.
> Couple that with the "because we can" syndrome of the DAW/desktop
> revolution and you've got the perfect breeding ground for your original
> two words: Sound Replacement.
> As to the gating... If you are recording to a DAW there is pretty
> much no reason for them anymore. It's extremely easy to work through a
> song's tom tracks and reduce (not eliminate) the leakage from the tom
> mics except where there's a fill. In years past I shyed away from them
> as a matter of course anyway.
> Back when we were allowed to use reverb (ah, the eighties) I used
> to mult a separate set of faders off the snare and toms, gate them and
> send to the effects off the gated signal, while leaving the original
> set of faders assigned to the 2-Buss with no gates. Of late, I've been
> getting what I used to get out of plates and Lexicons by compressing
> room mics. The current idiom frowns on any verbs and loves when you
> compress the s--t out of individual elements, sub mixes and 2-busses
> (which of course brings back all the leakage) - but that's yet another
> rant for another day. I feel my colon twisting. I'm out.
>
> Kevin
>


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