Re: NAT: Ca. Republicons

On Mar 7, 2:40 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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 ScottW2 <Scott...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mar 7, 12:16 pm, MiNe 109   <smcelr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article
<d44535e6-3088-4b9f-b8c3-b499a8c92...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,

 ScottW2 <Scott...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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http://cbs5.com/local/california.republican.party.2.941036.html

"A no-tax pledge needs to mean something," said Jon Fleischman, a
party vice-chairman from Southern California who introduced the
measure. "If we don't respect the meaning of the pledge, we'll no
longer be able to use it to defeat Democrats."

This reads as if he's putting partisan politics above the health of the
state as a whole.

 As a devoust socialist you always believe that big government
and ever higher taxes are the only means to a healthy state, but
that isn't the point.

Ooh, I'm a sssocialissst! A tax structure that benefits the middle class
is the best to a healthy state and society.

I agree. A tax structure that voids them of job opportunities
not benficial to anyone.

Say, didn't you just ignore the partisan implications of the Republican
vice-chairman?

Non-sequiter.


BTW, we (the US) tried it your way for the last thirty years.

He continues the lie.  They've flipped on the issue (rightly or
wrongly)
but they continue to misrepresent where they stand to their
constituents.

BFD.

 BFD?   Lying to constituents on their view to get elected
is BFD?

Since I don't think they were lying, yes.

LoL. Denying the obvious appears to be
your best talent.





 I don't think I'd be comfortable supporting such a
position.

 Do you support Pelosi when she advocates blue dogs supporting
off-shore drilling while telling her base she's on a mission to
save the planet?  Same BS.

That's politics. After the election she has more flexibility. Even the
Republicans have forgotten about off-shore drilling.

 Only until the next spike in oil prices while those of us with a
memory
will complain that nothing was done to increase supply while
we had the opportunity.
Of course in 10 years Dems will still be saying tapping ANWR will
take 10 years so why bother?

That's a good point. It would be simpler to change the demand side of
that question.

Great. Let's start with limiting immigration and population growth.
Clearly our economy does not require mass numbers of unskilled
workers.
Since we no longer have water for Ca. farms, we surely don't need farm
labor.

Next let's really get moving on upgrading our grid and launching
commercial
solar power production in preparation for electric vehicles and plug-
in hybrids.
What's in the stimulus for this to fund a "smart grid" isn't going to
have
any significant impact.


As they say, you get the government you deserve.
In your case, lying POS representatives.
Just stop your pathetic hypocritically whining and
remember this when
you say, "I didn't vote for this".
Who cares, you support lying to get elected.
Why not to you too?

Maybe if you didn't have term limits you could leave your
trustworthy
reps in office.

 I don't know of anyone that trustworthy.  Leaving legislators in
office
too long allows all the power (committee chairs etc.) to become
concentrated among the senior reps who are not contested.
This hardly results in representative government.
We need to wait and see what happens after the districts are redrawn
in 2011.  Hopefully, the blatant gerrymandering of the past will come
to
an end and districts won't be "secure" without representing the
people.

Aren't you stuck between a rock and a hard place. Anyone with the
vision
to help the state has to lie to people like you to get elected.

 LoL.  Once again you prove you would oppose democracy the second you
find yourself in a minority position.

Like most of the last thirty years?

 Is that your excuse for growing to accept lying politicians?
Any way to get in power when the truth won't do.

You're talking about Republicans. I don't vote for them anyway.

LoL. You'd support a bluedog democrat over a moderate republican.
How partisan can you get?

It's
been more of a problem that Dems in DC have made it too easy for the
Republican agenda over the last few decades.

IMO, the biggest detriment to the US economy has been our trade
policy.
The foolish idea that the US economy can sustain while it's
manufacturing base
is destroyed is IMO, crazy.
Both democrats and republicans have embraced this failed policy.
The tax policy and government stimuli are all temporary corrections
to
a continuing decline brought about by "globalization".
Bush managed growth on the backs of government deficit spending
and ever larger consumer debt financed by home equity artificially and
obviously
temporarily created by gov't policy. The equity is gone. The debt
remains.

The manufacturing jobs continue to leave the country and I hold that
without manufacturing, all ther rest of the service sectors will
decline as there is no core wealth creation in the US.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2009/03/06/business/jobs.php

"These jobs aren't coming back," said John Silvia, chief economist at
Wachovia in Charlotte, North Carolina. "A lot of production either
isn't going to happen at all, or it's going to happen somewhere other
than the United States. There are going to be fewer stores, fewer
factories, fewer financial services operations. Firms are making
strategic decisions that they don't want to be in their businesses."

For makers of U.S. policy, such a reality poses fundamental challenges
to the traditional response to hard times. For decades, the government
has reacted to economic downturns by handing out temporary
unemployment-insurance checks, relying upon the resumption of economic
growth to deliver needed jobs.

This time, argues Silvia, the government needs to put a much greater
emphasis on retraining workers for careers in other industries."

Of course this argument begs the question, "what other industries"?
Hillary argued for green jobs that can't be outsourced but we alread
know the U.S. lags the world in solar panel construction. What are
these jobs that can't be outsourced? Are the permanent or
temporary? Who do they serve?

McCain ridiculously argued that community colleges were needed to
retrain workers but never answered the question, to do what?
Does he think we can turn blue collar laborors into pharmaceutical
research chemists?

We need manufacturing back in America and if that means putting a
nozzle on cheap chinese imports than so be it. If the big fear is
deflation, restricting access to $2/day labor might just be a good
idea.



 Why are you making up stuff?

 Who needs to make stuff up when you advocate
lying of elected representatives as "That's politics"?

There's one.

Did you already forget what you wrote?

ScottW
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