Re: Atkinson sings the same old lame song when pressed for the facts.

"John Atkinson" <stereoeditor@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On Jul 3, 7:35 am, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@xxxxxxxxxx>
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"John Atkinson" <stereoedi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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On Jul 2, 2:38 pm, "Arny Krueger" <ar...@xxxxxxxxxx>
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"John Atkinson" <stereoedi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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But as your results are very different from a
correctly performed spectral analysis of the noise
floor of the original 24-bit file during a silent
passage -- see my published graph -- the only logical
conclusions that can be drawn are a) that you are
being confused by
the lossy-encoding artifacts and b) that you _don't
"know what you are doing," Mr. Krueger.

Umm "my results", and "published graph"? Where are
those posted?

On the Stereophile website photo gallery, Mr. Krueger. I
acknowledge that your inability to use Web-based search
engines is the stuff of legend, but just because you
can't find this graph doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Heck, I even tried to make it easy for you in a message
yesterday by posting the URL.

Interesting that you can't find that URL to post today, John.

Arny Krueger _still_ can't find the URL despite his
claimed expertise at using Web-based search engines :-)

I'm not here to solve your childish little puzzles John.

I surely didn't post mine so you are talking about
something that you presume exists, but in fact have
never seen.

You discuss your analysis in the text quoted above, Mr.
Krueger. Or did someone else write those passages?

... not enough background information (such as FFT size and windowing) was
provided with it, to do a proper analysis.

No response from Mr. Krueger. Perhaps someone else _did_
post the anlaysis (sic) of the AAC file using his name. :-)

For the reasons mentioned above, my analysis was preliminary and described
only in very general terms.

<Atkinson pretends that the following is a detailed analysis>

This recording seems to have more than enough
background noise to be truncated down to 12 or 13
bits without added dither and without any
correlated quantization error....An AAC file with that
bitrate has a noise floor that is about 80 dB down, but
the noise floor of the actual performance part of the
file is far worse than that.



Here's a guess - the analysis was done and posted
someplace, but not enough background information (such as FFT size
and windowing) was provided with it, to do a proper analysis.

As I said yesterday and the day before, Mr. Krueger, the
graph is posted on the Stereophile website photo gallery.

Like I said John, it has a URL and as soon as you post it in a reply to me,
I'll take a look at it.

It analyzes
the noise floor of a silent passage in the original 24-bit mix of
the recording that you claim has background noise "far
worse than...80dB down." I used a 65,536-point FFT,
Blackman Harris window.

I find it curious that you are unable to post the URL of this information in
a reply to me, John.



John, I can only imagine that you are so ashamed of you
work that you don't want to tell me the URL.

I posted the URL on r.a.o., Mr. Krueger, in this very
thread,
with a followup to correct a typo. I have no idea why you
can't find it. Perhaps you are using a buggy newsreader
client?

It's not up to me to play hunt-and-find with you John. If you have something
for me to look at, you'll give me a straight answer. If not, your data will
not shed any light on either of our claims.

Others had had no
problem viewing the spectral analysis in question.

I presume that you gave them this mysterous URL that you somehow can't
provide directly to me.

Where is that magical file?...I'm not here to play game
with you,
John. Give me a URL in a reply, or AFAIK the file
doesn't exist.

You _ work_ that solipsism angle. Mr. Krueger. Let me
know how
it works out for you. Yes, the graph exists. It's on the
Stereophile website. In the photo gallery. You are now
just 2 mouse clicks
away from seeing it, Mr. Krueger. I also posted the URL
in this thread, in response to a message of mine that you
also responded

Just post the URL in your next response to me John. Stop being tedious.


to. I can't believe that you can't find it. I must assume
that you are merely pretending not to have seen it
because it contradicts your
own faulty analysis, made, as you admit, on a
lossy-compressed
file in the presence of musical program.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile


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