Re: speakers has anyone heard these??


"King Ghidora" <KingGhidora@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 15:48:19 +1100, "bassett"
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:There junk plain and simply or put another way , they would be contenders
:for the White van salesman
:even at the full price of $1049 there rubbish, and for that money
they
:can't be anything else, then there discounted down to $549. Ask
yourself
:what sort of quality hardware can you get for that sort of money.
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:I liked the bit about the cabinets quote, this is why we suggest that
a
:Diva cabinet is built not unlike a fine wooden yacht. The final 5.1BC
:enclosure is finished in economizing PVC simulated wood. unquote.
:So don't leave them near a window that gets a lot of sun or the bloody
:things will peel.
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:It all comes down to "you get what you pay for. PAY PEANUTS GET MONKEYS"
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This post is the epitome of snobbism maquerading as
knowledge. The audiofulls must certainly be proud of this
message because it is certainly full of it. The truth is
that people like drove the audio business to the point where
it is hard to get anything at all worth hearing for $550.
But before people got the idea that snobbism meant quality
it was possible to get decent quality for that price. It's
pure supply and demand. As long as there's a demand for
overpriced equipment (by our our hound dog friend here) then
people will fill the market and sell total junk at
reasonable prices in order to drive the snobbism so apparent
in this post.

I remember when a person could buy a set of Infinity
speakers that sounded excellent for not much more than that
$550. This poster suggests that even at the listed price it
would be impossible to get quality. It is but only because
people who care more about crowing about how much money they
have to spend and rubbing it in people's faces have driven
the market that way. Just 10 years ago companies like
Boston Acoustics and even Sony built excellent quality
speakers in the price range mentioend. Now it's keep up
with the Jonses or expect to get crap. Thanks hound dog.
People like you make it impossible for working people to get
quality audio. You people spend more money on stereo
equipment than I spent building my house and I have a VERY
nice house. I just built it 20 years ago. Thank goodness I
bought speakers that were excellent while it was still
possible to get them for a decent price. That $1200 figure
was about the magic number when I bought my speakers. If
you spent that much you could get quality. But just like
car stereo before it home audio has become a matter of
"mine's bigger than yours" from people who are lacking in
the area they really care about.

Here's a hint for you. Audio equipment isn't worth
thousands of dollars no matter how good it is. It's a
matter of gluttony at some point and serendipity at heart.
You think your thousands buy you the best but you wouldn't
recognize quality if it bit you on the rump. What is it
about audio that drives people nuts this way? I guess it's
the ephereal nature of it all. It's too hard to prove
anything so it's too easy to claim money is the magic salve
that fixes all. Well I've heard super high priced equipment
and I've heard consumer grade equipment from the old days
that exceeds the quality of that audiofull stuff so many
spew.

My son, the engineer and electronic physics phd candidate
deals with a plethora of people who have spent way too much
on their equipment. He knows the truth. My equipment is
far better than the vast majority of it. So go ahead and
spend spend spend. It won't buy you the quality you seek.
Only a good ear and a willingness to avoid the hype like the
plague will get you to audio nirvana. I'm the sound man for
a band right now. I'm the guy that you guys are all trying
to emulate with your mega buck systems. I've sold lots of
concert videos and audios where even my mobile equipment
satisfies the masses. Music wasn't built on snobbery. It
was built on good ears and creativity.

Based on your comments, I would guess you are of an age closer to mine thatn
some of the folks here.

You need to be careful making comparisons, though, for nostalgia has a way
of warping reality. I have been keeping up a spread*** of tube power
amplifier prices since a discussion online about five years ago. It is true
that back in the day we had Eico and Dynaco kits to help ease our way into
quality audio, and we don't have them today. Still, in todays prices (2007
BLS CPI-U Index) an Eico HF-80 would cost $933 and a Dynaco Stereo 79 would
cost $1337. Above that price point, things get even more interesting. For
example, a Citation Two would cost nearly $1700 in todays terms, and on a
$/Watt basis would be beaten out by both the Rogue Stereo 90 and the VTL
ST-85 (around $2000). And today we have $500 NAD integrateds and other
low-priced SS gear that we didn't have then.

From a study of nearly two dozen amp models, I made a table that showed on
average current tube power amps sold for about 30% more than their earlier
counterparts, in todays dollars. While this is discouraging, it is probably
in line with the smaller size of todays market versus the more mass market
of the sixties.

The feelings of vast descrepancy between today and forty years ago probably
stems more from the fact that in constant dollars the HH incomes of both
single males and two-income, no-kids familites have stayed constant and that
of families with kids has gone down pretty dramatically. These were the
prime buying groups for audio gear. In fact the only groups showing gains
are single women, and older (over 65) couples....neither of whom are prime
markets for audio equipment. When you combine that with the rising cost of
medical care (now takes 2x the amount it did back then) and the plethora of
other expensive options (flat screen tv's, SLR's, etc.) that compete today,
it is easy to see why we can feel the "unaffordability" of high end
components.

My only beef is with people who turn their own inability to purchase into a
hatred of those who can and do. There are some on this group who do
that..and I hope you aren't/don't become one of them.


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