Re: OT: A Debate that is Overdue

On Jul 10, 4:22 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Jul 9, 1:54 pm, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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On Jul 9, 11:59 am, MiNe 109 <smcelr...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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ScottW <Scott...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
http://www.nysun.com/article/58062?page_no=1

"the question among Muslim scholars and activists is precisely
how
much of the terror inspired by Islam is due to the faith itself
-
and
how much is due to the way it is being preached."

Very good question. What if the answer is the faith itself?

It isn't. End of debate.

So IYO, is the terror inspired by Islam due to the way it is being
preached?

In part. Social and political conditions are more important.

To add to this, read Juan Cole's article on Salon.com, "Inside the minds
of Britain's killer doctors".

I think many of the indiviuals who act sometimes are personally
inspired by their view of some injustice.
But without the existance of Al Qaeda and its
motives they are far less likely to act. Obviously the ongoing
corruption of the minds of the young is also a factor.

For a different view from someone who has made a scholarly study of the
subject:

http://www.amconmag.com/2005_07_18/article.html

The 'amconmag' refers to The American Conservative magazine. Key quote:

"The central fact is that overwhelmingly suicide-terrorist attacks are
not driven by religion as much as they are by a clear strategic
objective: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from
the territory that the terrorists view as their homeland."

How then does one explain the vast majority of suicide attacks
in Iraq being muslims killing muslims?

The goal is still ending the occupation and Shia victims are considered
apostate by the Sunni bombers.

We need to separate the nutters like McVeigh and the abortion bomber
of which there will always be a few acting as individuals
from the movement
within Islam which is far greater in numbers and support.

Islam is responsible for Islamic terrorists, but Christian terrorists
are on their own? I don't buy it.

When polls show a significant percentage of Christians supporting
McVeigh you would have a point. But they don't so you don't.

Using your standards, one could say that Christians don't denounce
domestic terror by Christians with sufficient vigor. Think of how a
pipe-bomb at an abortion clinic barely makes the news.

Now Christians control the news? When did that happen?
In any case, I am not aware of any pipe bombings that did not
make the news.

A 'significant percentage' of Christians might share McVeigh's goals and
ideals if those are separated from his methods in a poll.

So.

Likewise, you
might find that what you think is Islamic support for 'terrorism' is
really support for local autonomy or resentment of the US.

I know you want to blur the lines of method and motive
but they are clear. I don't care what the motive, terrorism
is not an acceptable method.

BTW...was this 14 year old pakistani suicide bomber
protecting his homeland?

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070710/news_1n10afghan.html

ScottW

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