Re: Harry caught in yet another desperate lie

In article <85ydnc37Q_8PFGDYnZ2dnUVZ_qemnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Jenn" <jennconductsREMOVETHIS@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
message
news:jennconductsREMOVETHIS-4274CA.00325118032007@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

What I'm aware of is that some people will always put a
negative spin on the statements of certain other people.

Like say, Jenn when she's in pity party mode.

Just the reality, Arny. It really won't matter what I write, you will
argue against it. A reality check is in order for you.



It could be read as a complimentary to you and a back
handed insult to Arny.....and he took it that way and
called you on it for having your nose
in the air.

He would be mistaken if he took it that way.

Sure, the writer never has any responsibility for how
they're being
taken.

Yet another false argument.

Just saying its false, which is very self-serving, proves nothing but your
willingness to serve yourself at the expense of your self-awareness.

See what I mean? Clearly, saying that you are mistaken if you took my
statement to be an insult doesn't equate to my saying that "the writer
never has any responsibility for how they're being taken."


Where have I implied that?

I'm not going to take on any new delusions of yours right now Jenn. You seem
to be pretty wound up in the last one I pointed out what 3 times before you
got even the slightest clue.

See above, Arny.


Arny is sensitive, but you're a bit pompous and
arrogant yourself.

Arny is who he is needed to be.

lol Why do you think that? Frankly, I'm probably one
of the least pompous and arrogant people that you'd
ever meet.

LOL!

You know it takes a really pompous and arrogant person to continue to
espouse their self-perfection in the face of the evidence being discussed.

It's simply the truth, Arny. You are free to check with anyone that I
know in 3D. It's not bragging. It's the truth. You would want me to
lie? In fact, several people think that I'm too modest for my own good.


I've learned long ago that words on usenet never reflect
a persons true personality.

Sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.

Just another example of a really stupid generality.

Nope, just another example of the truth. How can you argue against this?


Your words often have implications or tones about them
you're
oblivious to. When someone points it out...you don't
consider their
pont of view. You reject it, and sometimes rather
flippantly at that. Like above.

So present some evidence. What statements that I've made
do you consider flippant? The "lol"? I'm perfectly willing (corrected)
to listen to your evidence that I'm pompous and arrogant.

No new evidence needed, Plenthy of old stuff has been presented and rejected
out of hand.

In other words, you have no evidence.


We all have our faults.

Of course.

Now you've set a new low for yourself trumping his
call of liar, which is actually
a statement of behavior,
with the childish puss oozing geek taunt.
Who's the winner? I see losers all around.

Do you really think that I was calling him a "puss
oozing geek"?

LoL.

Flippant?

If you weren't...then why did you refer to your own
statement as "namecalling"?
See what I mean about being oblivious to your own words
at times?

I truly believe that most people would read what I wrote
and understand that I wasn't calling Arny names.

You can be as delusional as you want to be, Jenn.

If you can't see that I was trying to show you how stupid the "liar"
statement was, it's you who are delusional.


Perhaps I wrong; I very well could be.

Try for certainty, you are Jenn.

For the record, Arny called me a liar.

I've caught you in many intentiall falsehoods, Jenn. Your best defense has
been that you are really so stupid and arrogant that you didn't know any
better.

That's a lie, Arny. You haven't "caught me" in any intentional lie, as
I've never made one here. Present evidence, or shut up. (You'll now
probably say something like "evidence already presented", which is a
copout. Prove your slanderous statement or keep quiet.)


I called him a name (using terms
COMPLETELY out of context from anything I've ever said
before) to try to show him the folly of his approach.

Yawn.

You should wake up and try some self-awareness.


But since you are either egregiously ignorant,
unbelieveably stupid or incredibly stone-headed,
I'll spell it out for you.

If you haven't been getting along with someone and
you want to make a fresh
start, make a fresh start. Don't start out with a
recital of your past problems with them.

Thanks for reminding to ask Arny what he considers to
be a "recital".

Well, recital with pity party to follow.

This is what you consider a "recital": "Arny, I thought that it might
be interesting to attempt civil conversation with you again."


Sheesh! I guess some of those stories about
musician's lack of basic social
skills have an element of truth. Or maybe its about
youth or being Californian. Or maybe Jenn, you're
just *special*, and in need of *special
education*. Post again when you get your first clue,
and not one minute
sooner.

I said, "I thought it might be interesting to attempt
civil conversation with you again." What is it about
that sentence that set you off? I've attempted civil
conversation with you before, and obviously it didn't
work.

Once again you imply it didn't work through no fault
of your own.

No, it implies nothing of the sort, though what you say
is true, I think. Can you think of ONE time that I was
"uncivil" to Arny?

It's easier to come up with times when you were truely sincere.

You're entitled to your opinion.


Yes, and the fact that your unaware of it means you're
going to
make the same mistakes again.

Paul nails this one.

Note how much angst Jenn goes through, while trying to justify herself. I've
always suspected that she's unmarried because she's gay, but I'm being to
think that simple immaturity might be a better explanation. Maybe they are
both right.

You're cracking me up, Arny. Yes, I'm gay.


Please show where I have been uncivil to Arny.

I did, and you rejected it, Jenn.

And do you think that this "uncivil" statement ("Arny, I thought that it
might be interesting to attempt civil conversation with you again.")
compares in ANY way to what you post to me constantly?


BTW do you think you surprised me?

Have I ever played a bit of self-defense? Yeah, probably. Do
you see something wrong with that?

Only if you want to grow a little., Jenn.

I see. So you are allowed to post outrageous statements about me and I'm
wrong to ever defend myself. That's an "interesting" view of the world,
Arny.


I don't
mean cases like the "puss oozing" comment where I was
obviously trying to show Arny something about his
behavior,

Is that civil? Really...is behavior modification
attempts civil?

Yes, of course it can be. Is it civil to attempt to
modify the behavior of a murderer?

Thanks Jenn for calling me a murderer. It really helps. ;-)

but where I was truly uncivil
to him. I can recalling him a liar a time or two, when
he was obviously telling a lie. As I've said before,
take an honest look at the scale of the thing.

No...I'm not going set you up against Arny and say lets
see who is
the bigger jerk. That's half Middius rationale for what
he is.

So scale doesn't matter here?

With the best possible interpretation, your recent comment about murders
shows that you think that scale doesn't matter.

Do you understand the concept of showing the folly of a situation by
using another folly?


Take the present example, taken from the above:
Jenn: "Arny, I thought that it might be interesting to
attempt civil conversation with you again."
Arny: "Jenn, don't you have trouble with walking into
things, given that yournosealways seems to be so
close to the vertical?"
Jenn: "Well, that didn't last long, did it? Sorry, my
mistake."
Arny: "Try being civl to start with next time, Jenn.
It is
common sense that you obviously lack."
Jenn: "What did I say above that isn't civil?"
Arny: "Inability to follow flow of a post noted."
Jenn: "Inability to give a straight answer noted. The
entire
post is above, please answer: What did I say that is
not civil?"
(some time passes)
Jenn: "Well, Arny won't answer the question about
which part of
my post isn't civil,"
Arny: "Jenn I answered your question you liar, you
just don't like the answer." "But since you are either
egregiously ignorant, unbelieveably stupid or
incredibly stone-headed, I'll spell it out for you.
If you haven't been getting along with someone and you
want to make a fresh start, make a fresh start. Don't
start out with a recital of your past problems with
them." "Sheesh! I guess some of those stories about
musician's lack of basic social skills have an element
of truth. Or maybe its about youth or being
Californian. Or maybe Jenn, you're just *special*, and
in need of *special education*. Post again when you get
your first clue, and not one minute sooner."
Now Scott, do you not see just a BIT of difference on
the civil scale?

Of course...but if your going to let Arny set the scale,
you're not going to be civil yourself by anyone's
perception,

More evidence that Jenn has hopelessly confused RAO with reality.

Huh? So Arny can let loose with, say, 100 insults and if
I throw one back at him, **I** am to be considered
uncivil?

Jenn, you're the one who claims to be a model of perfection.

Yet another lie, Arny. Quote a sentence where I have claimed to a model
of perfection. Just one will do. You won't because you can't. Why do
you feel the need to lie like this?


Now, you're saying that as long as you're even a tiny increment better than
me, that's more than enough.

See the above long quote of the exchange and tell me with a straight
face that it involves a "tiny increment".


including Arny's (who isn't all
that unaware of his own lack of civility and hypocrisy
therein).

"Isn't all that unaware?" Sounds like Paul gets a little of *it*.


It's kind of amusing, but Arny is just like he always
is.

Actually, I'm what I need to be to suit the situation.

I can be a picture of civility, but I'm not stupid enough to do it with Jenn
on RAO at this time.

Why don't you try?


You on the other hand have tried to be civil but could
not remain civil in the face of Arny's behavior.

True.

Who's the wimp here?

I confess to not being perfect.

Arny is doing what he wants to do.

Arny is doing the most helpful thing he can think of at this time.

Are you?

Yep. I hadn't engaged Arny in a while. I decided to
try again. It was, I suppose, stupid to try.

No, it was a stupid try. There's a difference!

Yes, and the difference is that I'm trying to have civil conversation
with someone who doesn't want to participate.


If you really want to be civil, I suggest you have to
suck it up and accept Arny for what he is and drop the
behavior modification efforts.

Right - By admitting that she's trying to modify my behavior, Jenn's judging
me even slandering me. She's putting herself up on an ivory tower in a very
Middius-like way.

Nope, I'm stating what is very clear: you have no interest in civil
conversation with me.


If you really want to discuss something, open the topic.
He'll tell you what he knows which is often, quite a bit.

I'd also tell it in a non-judgemental way, given the right context.

Past history disproves that.


No, he would tell me what he knows and call me an idiot
for not knowing it.

Depends on whether it was a sincere question.

You judge everything I say to be insincere.


Feel free to tell him what you know.
Don't expect to change his mind and have a thick skin
when he
rejects what you know. He's a bit like ssshhhh...can't
stand a different POV.

Wrong again. I love different POVs if they have merit.

It's not about that at all Scott. I **welcome** Arny's
opinions.

If so, that is well-hidden.

Not to those with normal temperament. When have I ever put down some
opinion of yours?


I have NEVER tried to change his mind.

LOL!

Ohh! Flippant!


She admits to attempting behavior modifcation, stupidly thinking that this
is not related to changing my mind. I wonder where Jenn thinks the seat of
human behavoir is, if not the mind?

LOL! (twice).

Ohh! Flippant (twice). I've tried to change your behavior. That much
is true. But I've never tried to change your opinion on anything, other
than your false statements.


I've
only tried to get him to realize that I hear what I hear,
and YMMV.

No Jenn, you perceive what you perceive. That's a different thing.

Is hearing not one way to perceive? I discuss how things sound.


And, I've tried to make the board better by
attempting to make him see that his message will never
get heard if he encases each one with snot.

I've had so many honest sincere posts labelled as snot by the usual suspects
that the whole issue is meaningless to me. if Jenn wants less snot around
here, then she should deal with the major sources of it, like the Middiot,
Art and Sander. Until Jenn shows some evidence of reasonable judgement,
she's not worth my time.

Then stop reading me, and stop the "pity party".
.

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