Re: Eliminating CD's


"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Harry Lavo" <hlavo@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Dizzy, you just don't understand Arny's logic. Pay
attention now. He has at least five basic postulates
that explain virtually all of his audio input
1. Theory=Evidence (and its correllary, Articles are what
I say they are). This postulate allows Arny to argue with
great conviction based on his theoretical understanding,
and when asked for his proof, to refer to articles that
he has "authored" at sometime and in some place (perhaps
on a cereal box). But nonetheless they are published
articles, and they support his thinking. All the
"evidence" you should need.

Good example of this would be Harry's reliance on this certain
vendor-sponsored article that got shopped around the AES anmd IEEE and
finally got published in some off-the-wall journal. It's the only thing
he's got that supports his obsession with high sample rates, and just
about everybody else laughs at it.

Right. Research done by Professors, Doctors, and research PhD's via a
consotrtium grant and published in the peer-reviewed "Journal of
Neurophysiology". Doesn't begin to compare with Arny's home experiments
published in the "how to" column of Audio Amateur.


2. Experience doesn't count (and it's travel-mate, Actual
use of in-depth knowledge in a field alien to
Arny=snobbism) This allows him to pontificate with pure
self-righteousness. Those with actual experience in the
area under discussion have no advantage when it comes to
presenting arguments. Thus he can debate and even assume
a superiority discussing music with Jenn,

Never happened.

turntables with Scott,

Which Scott? One's a flaming idiot and the other is merely a technical
midget?

recording with John A, etc.

Only when John wets himself in public, which happens not infrequently.

without ever having to
achieve an equivalent level of experience or knowledge,

Why would I start forgetting what I know so that I would be at an
equivalent level of experience or knowledge with the aforementioned
persons?

I rest my case.



since he represents the superior, McDonald-totalling "common man".

Me, the common man? LOL!

Delusions of grandeur noted.


2. Good=Cheap (and its corollary, Bad=Expensive). This
is another postulate that in conjunction with #1 allows
him to self-righteously pronounce on audio gear. What,
you paid more than the minimum for a CD player. BAD!
BAD!

Harry is out of date. I berate people for buying *any* CD player, given
that DVD players are so good at such low prices.

Just a matter of degree, Arny.


You mean you actually prefer those expensive tube
amplifiers? BAD! BAD!

Zip said it best - toobs are for boobs, and I don't mean what Anna Nicole
wore on her chest. ;-)

Well, about 40% of the audiophile market disagrees, Arny. Hardly makes that
a monolithic opinion, now, does it?


You've bought a Behringer
equalizer? GOOD, GOOD! Shows you are a true connoisseur
of high-end audio, one who won't be fooled. And I don't
need no friggin experience to know so!

Harry likes for forget that don't actually own any Behringer equalizers -
mind are almost all Ranes. BTW, has Harry even heard of Rane equalizers?
;-)

Well, assuming I can translate the above into English, then perhaps I should
say "in the past...". I'll definitely say "that's about all he ever
recommends on RAP...". And yes, Arny, I do know what Rane equalizers
are...in fact I briefly owned one.




3. All that needs to be known is known=scientific (and
its corollary, anybody who suggests something worthwhile
may not yet be known or appreciated fully=charlatan or
magician).

Harry's really confused here - he is not up-to-date with the SOTA in
audio, so he keeps thinking that something is not known in general, just
because he doesn't know about it.

Okay, Arny. What "not yet proven" but "possible" audio theories are out
there that you consider open to considering as possibly valid?



Removing any possible infiltration of
uncertainty allows Arny to argue with conviction. If it
existed in his textbook or his computer manual yesterday,
it is science.

Given that my yesterday is years in Harry's future... Computers are a sore
point with Harry, given how out of date he is, congenitally.

LOL. I've been using/building/installing computers since 1981, starting
with an Osborne, on which I managed to automate my financial record keeping
for both home and a summer rental property. I bought the first four IBM PC
XT's sold in Lousiville, KY for the company I headed, and completely
automated the financial reporting system in three months. I founded a
consulting company in the mid-eighties that used PC's to compete with
McKinsey and Booze, who were still using $100,000 a pop Wang word processors
(an beat them out on a few proposals). I owned (with a partner) a computer
services and hardware firm for eight years that managed to develop and
install a state-of-the-art medical information processing system for
Montifiore Hospital when they ran the clinics on Riker's Island. And
researched and recommended a state-of-the-art workflow solution of one of
the Big 5 Accounting Firms. Now, in my retirement, I live in a home with
four wirelessly networked PC's, one of them a recording DAW. Sure I don't
know computers.



If it is something that has not yet
achieved consensus among EE's, it is "magic". And
everybody knows "magic" is not to be taken seriously. The world is round?
Clearly some crackpot espousing
magical thinking. Hell, didn't we learn in
VenetianSecondayAcademy that the world is flat?

Apparently Harry did some schooling in Europe. I never did.

Actually, Arny...it was Galileo. Ever hear of him?


4. Music=irrelevant (and its corollary, white noise uber
alles). The basic properties of audio gear are
signal-to-noise ratio, frequency response up to 20khz,
and volume. That's all.


I guess this means that Harry doesn't know about nonlinear distortion,
especially esoteric things like FM distortion. They're not on his list, I
guess that means that he doesn't think they exist.

Gosh, Arny....I guess it is us simpletons that you dumb down your repetoire
for, right?


Music, musical dynamics,
timbrel accuracy, none of that is relevant.

Obviously, Harry is stone deaf. He stopped doing recording for hire years
ago, which is probably when he started losing clients because of how bad
his recordings sounded.

Not only is this wrong, but it is of course completely irrelevant to my
comment, for which Arny has no known response that would not make him a
laughstock on Usenet.


The first
two properties determine perfection (as in CD players)
and the latter determines preference (as in all those
dupes who think they prefer something expensive). Analog
circuitry, component quality, power supply design, all
that esoteric stuff....irrelevant....even $39 Kmart CD
players have that down cold.

Harry has these mind snaps and keeps confusing CD players and DVD players.

I guess Arny is getting tired....my mind snaps having him confusing his DVD
players with my CD players.



5. No Difference=Competent Design(corollary:
Difference=Incompetent Design). This is a handy corollary
that allows Arny to dismiss any blind comparisons that
actually find a difference between electrical components.
This of course is the ultimate backstop to all of the
above corollaries.

If you can make sense of this paragraph, please explain it to me. ;-)

I yield to Paul on this one.



See, once you understand his postulates, his responses
will no longer amaze you.

Harry obviously lives in his own little world where posts like the above
are actually true and even make sense.

No its your own big world of lies, hypocrisy, and posturing that I post
about, Arny.


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