Re: Robert desires victimization


Arny Krueger wrote:

That's why high end audio is on the endangered list.

High end audio is doing a heck of a lot better than your ABX business.

receivers, and speakers. High end audiophiles tell us that sound quality is
far and away the most important criteria for discriminating between pieces
of audio gear, but there's no evidence that a good CD players or receievers
from Wal Mart sound any different from those sold by high end audio stores.

Now you've said some truly stupid, wrongful things in the time that
I've been reading you, Kreuger. This character flaw of yours appears to
be your trademark. THIS one however, takes the cake. The entire high
end audio industry is predicated on the fact that good equipment sounds
better than the CD players and receivers you can get from Wal-mart. If
that weren't the case, there would no such creature as the
"audiophile", no such industry as "high end audio". How exactly do you
account for the existence of quality audio? It appears you've never
actually heard a high end audio system. Why you think you're credible
making such a statement is beyond me.

Not at all. I can see there are not just two extremes. I
just do not see the point of DBTs for the hobbyist.

That's just your personal opinion, and therefore practically meaningless for
anybody else.

No, its a completely meaningful argument for everybody, since
practically every consumer audiophile who purchases consumer audio
equipment does not do so on the basis of ABX tests that they took. Not
even YOU purchase your audio equipment on the basis of ABX tests,
because you know that if you brought your useless ABX gadget into an
audio store to compare equipment, you would get thrown out on your arse
before you could say "jackrabbit".



Especially since (by your own reckining) there are no
significant differences between amps, preamps, wire, and
CD players. Who needs a DBT to determine that?

That is not my own reckoning. That is your brain-dead version of my
reckoning.

Let it be noted that Mr. Krueger just finished telling us in the quote
above that CD players and receivers from Wal-mart of all places, have
no significant differences to high end audio equipment. You just love
your hypocrisy, don't you Mr. K?


There are differences between phono cartridges, speakers,
and turntables. Selection is simply preference. Who needs
a DBT to determine that?

I've recently provided a good justification for bis-controlled preference
testing. Just because its personal preference doesn't mean that there is no
need for bias controls.

You can never get, K. You can NOT control "bias" in any audio test. And
any piece of equipment not chosen on the basis of personal bias, is not
something you're going to fall in love with.

This is like nob going on rec.audio.tubes yesterday and
nastily saying that 'tubes are obsolete technology.'

What's wrong with that? It's the truth.

The simple fact that tube amps have never stopped being produced, makes
it a lie. Let it be noted that you are once again, lying to people.

What's his point, other than to be an ***?

Get people tuned into the possibility of better sounding
home-built equipment?

As I said, agenda-driven and dishonest.

I see, trying to get people tuned into the possibility of better sounding
home-built equipment is always agenda-driven and dishonest. What planet did
you say you were posting from Mr. Shhhhh!?

Most people on the audio newsgroups do, I find, post because they have
a genuine passion for audio, and a love for reproduced or real music.
Myself, for example. Anyone reading you and your alias "nyob" however,
for any length of time, can see that you two definitely are trying to
drive an agenda on the audio newsgroups. Or what I consider your
religious beliefs about audio. How's that working out for you after so
many years of attacking those with a genuine affection for audio on a
daily basis?

Or are you saying that two
amplifiers, one tube and one SS, with identical
performance curves will sound different, just because one
has tubes in it?

You have to be patient with me, I come from a part of the universe where
practical considerations have some value.

But the problem is, your "practical considerations" are not the same
ones we have here on earth.

Seems like it is. Some people enjoy tubes, for example,
for reasons other than 'SQ for the buck.'

I suspect that most of these people really don't know what the difference in
SQ actually is. There's so much mystecism and hype.

If "SQ" is "sound quality", what would YOU know about that, since you
consider a receiver from Wal-mart to sound better than an Audio Note
Ongaku?

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