Re: Krueger mostly responsible for own issues


Harry Lavo wrote:
"Arny Krueger" <arnyk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Bret Ludwig" <bretldwig@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Arny, since your fundamental argument is that audio is a
solved problem and that it all now sounds the same,

Where did you get that idea?

Well, you've been at it for some time.

Here is an exchange from two of rec.audio.pro's 'heavyweights" in 2000
discussing you and your position re: professional digital:







"Scott Dorsey" <klu...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote in message




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> Mixerman <Mixer....@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >I'm sorry, but I don't live in a Utopia. I'm not familiar with
these
> >digital systems that you refer to, but here in the real world, I
have to
> >deal with 888's. I have no problems using a digital multi track
system
that
> >sounds amazing. But I haven't come across one yet.

> And that's fine. But until you've heard the good stuff (and there's
> precious little of it out there and it tends to cost more than the
> analogue stuff I fear), don't go saying bad things about digital
itself.

I don't say bad thigs about digital itself. But what good is
phenomenal
digital gear if it's economically prohibative? Particularly in light
of the
fact that soooo many studios around the US have Pro Tools with 888's
and
ADAT's with stock converters.

High defenition TV has been around more than a decade. One could have
argued then that great picture quality was indeed attainable. So
what? It
was cost prohibitive, and largely unavailable.

> >I'm not saying digital recording is inherently bad. But the
devices that
> >are currently supplied to professional recordists that are digital
don't
> >come close to the old 1/2" Ampex analog machines, in accuracy or
sound.
Pro
> >Tools and all the other common pro formats, don't come close to an
old
Ampex
> >2" or a new Studer 827, particularly with today's tape.

> This is true, and that's why you're in the position where you need
to be
> fighting for decent digital gear to become more universal. I hear
guys
> tell me about how they can't stand to mix down to digital and they
have
> to mix down to analogue tape, when what they mean is they can't
stand to
> mix down to an SV3700 with the internal converters. I couldn't
stand
> that either. Don't put up with it! Demand better!

Why should I demand better? Companies will make what they can sell.
My
opinion means nothing in the grand scheme of things. Besides, I have
the
tools I need to get the sound quality I desire. It's not my
responsibilty
to demand the makers of digital recording products do better. It's
their
responsibility to try and make their product sound better than what I
currently use, that is if they want me to buy it.

> >I don't even care about the debate of digital v. analog. It's a
useless
> >debate to me. I know what works for me, and I know that many
people like
> >the sound of my records (I guess y'all will have to take my word on
that),
> >and the fact that I record analog has something to do with that.

> Absolutely. I'll use whatever works. But you need to demand good
digital
> that works, because when it does work, it's pretty nice.

I'll use what sounds the best of what's available, and not concern
myself
with what exists, but is largely cost prohibitive.

> >The fact of the matter is, none of your arguments sway me from the
thinking
> >that Arny is a hack.

> I didn't say he wasn't.

Good. Then in the end....we agree.

>He's part of the real problem, the people who
> keep asserting that cheap digital gear sounds good. And as long as
people
> keep saying this, manufacturers aren't going to be motivated to make
things
> better.




This has been my point all along. Thank you for stating it so
eloquently.

Mixerman




So, the pro's were lamenting that only the highest price, high end stuff
approached analog in quality...remember this was 2000. SACD had been
released the year before as a possible solution.

A pro, not all or even most, just one.


And here was Arny, arguing that el cheapo digital was just fine, thank you.
Couldn't be better.


How much better than perfect do we need?

And notice the respect he got in return for his view that digital was a done
deal. NOT. From the pros.


A pro Harry, just one. Hardly noteworthy.

But he continues to argue the same line...only now its mics, amps, cd
players, tuners...you name it, its a done deal. NOT. Audiophiles by and
large know better.

Nothing in what you posted said anything about mics. Tuners are
becoming obsolete as digital radio comes into being.

CD players are capable of perfect playback for 100 bucks or less.
Amps are capable of perfectly flat response and some cost less than a
dollar a watt.
You are arguing for unrelaible testing, turntables, and tubes. What
the hell kind of progress is that?

Learn how to use cut as well AS PASTE.

.

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