Re: The honest truth about stereo

In article <UbQzf.10080$ZA2.5228@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
<nyob123@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> "Jenn" <jennconducts@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:jennconducts-07C2B5.08230219012006@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > In article <WOKdnZqBEu6G8VPeRVn-jA@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> > "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> "Jenn" <jennconducts@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:jennconducts-6CF78C.07295618012006@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > In article <g7WdnePth59BxFPeRVn-sA@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> > "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> "Jenn" <jennconducts@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> >> news:jennconducts-AE2D02.06594918012006@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > In article <of2dnYMOMYU4oFPeRVn-gg@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >> >> > "Arny Krueger" <arnyk@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> "Pooh Bear" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
> >> >> >> message
> >> >> >> news:43CDF966.FBC5F961@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Bret Ludwig wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> In the past few years, serious mono listening has had a
> >> >> >> >> resurgence
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> sorts in the underground DIY audio world. A few have gone so far
> >> >> >> >> as
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> go over to mono exclusively,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > LMAO !
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I suppose they also use single driver speakers and SET amps ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > I guess it you're of advanced years and fairly deaf, then it's
> >> >> >> > not
> >> >> >> > too
> >> >> >> > much
> >> >> >> > of a compromise ?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> A common thread in the tubie and vinyl bigot world - reduced
> >> >> >> hearing
> >> >> >> ability
> >> >> >> due to age or occupation. When people start talking about vinyl
> >> >> >> that
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> free
> >> >> >> of tics and pops, or SET amps that sound sweet, that sorta gives it
> >> >> >> all
> >> >> >> away.
> >> >>
> >> >> > That would be because there is a great deal of vinyl that is free of
> >> >> > tics and pops, and that otherwise sound terrific.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks Jen for confessing to being the victim of hearing damage.
> >>
> >> > I'm not; my hearing is very, very good.
> >>
> >> You can't have it both ways, Jen. If LP playback is "tic free" then
> >> you're
> >> not hearing things that are clearly present.
> >
> > I didn't say that "LP playback is tic free". I said that "a great deal"
> > of it is. Most of the LPs that I've owned since new is free of tics.
> >>
> >> > But thanks for admitting that
> >> > your listening biases make you hear things that aren't there.
> >>
> >> Sorry Jen but its obvious that you don't understand the process of
> >> transcribing LPs to CDs. In the process, one may see tics in the forms of
> >> very specific non-musical waves on one's PC screen. Been there, done that
> >> many times.
> >
> > Of course I understand that, and it not relevant to this discussion.
> >>
> >> >> It's not like I have amazingly good hearing. It must be that its just
> >> >> that
> >> >> there are so many people who are worse off, at least when they start
> >> >> spinning vinyl.
> >>
> >> >> I've had a goodly amount of purportedly tic-free vinyl demonstrated to
> >> >> me.
> >> >> I've never had tic-free vinyl successfully demonstrated to me. I have
> >> >> been
> >> >> amazed at how relatively tic-free some of it was. But, I could still
> >> >> hear
> >> >> tics.
> >>
> >> >> To me tic-free means free of tics.
> >>
> >> There must be some confusion about the meaning of this.
> >>
> >> Or, the vinyl bigots who report "tic free" playback really do hear well
> >> enough in general, but go into some sort of a trance and fail to perceive
> >> that which is clearly there to be heard when they listen to their deified
> >> LPs.
> >
> > You're invited to come over and listen to some tic free vinyl. Look, OF
> > COURSE most vinyl in most people's collections have some tics. I'm just
> > stating that some vinyl doesn't. The main benefit of LP is that in some
> > instances, you can listen to acoustic music where the instruments and
> > voices remind one of the real things, as opposed to the majority of CDs.
>
> Then you either have been buying some of the worst recorded CD's ever made,

Incorrect. I own a variety of CDs from all of the major and most of the
minor labels. I'll send you the database if you wish to see it.

> or there is something wrong with either your equipment

Not likely, as my observations are the same regardless of the equipment.

> or your hearing.

Incorrect.

>
> I have plenty of CD's with acoustic instruments and voices that sound real.
>
> If you like Jazz try Mary Stallings: Fine And Mellow, from Clarity
> Recordings The album was recorded direct to digital. I can't recall, ever
> hearing any recording that sounded more life like.
> Or Retrun to Wide Open Spaces: Live at The Caravan of Dreams. Amazing
> Records is the label
> Or Mike Garson: The Oxnard Sessions Vol. one from Reference Recordings.
> Or virtually anything from the GRP label.

I don't listen to very much jazz at home, though I enjoy a few of the
releases on Pablo of the Basie Band and the Louie Bellson Band. I am
quite familiar of the Reference sound; great sound for CDs. I was
present for one of their sessions in Dallas. A great group of folks who
really love music.
>
> Currently I'm listening to The Tommy Flannigan Trio: Jazz Poet, which sounds
> like they are playing in my living room.

I'll give it a try.
.