Re: Is Nob Really Dr. Joseph Goebbels?


"Shhhh! I'm Listening to Reason!" <artyguy04@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> From: dizzy <d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> - Find messages by this author
> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 01:12:58 GMT
>
> Oh goody. More absolute statements that are mainly not correct. Another
> chance to argue. What fun.
>
>>There's no freaking way it's that much cheaper, unless it's heavily
>>subsidized. In fact, I'd be surprised if it was cheaper at all, and
>>I've read that it takes more energy to produce the alcohol than what's
>>in the alcohol.
>
> Surprize! It is that much cheaper. And it apparently delivers more
> energy than it takes to produce.
>
> http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html
>
> "The responsible, reliable analyses done well show that both corn
> [kernel] ethanol and cellulosic ethanol can replace petroleum," Dale
> says. He points to a 2004 study by the U.S. Department of Agriculture
> that reported that ethanol production returns 67 percent more energy
> than it consumes."
>
> http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20051001/bob10.asp
>
> A picture on price is worth a thousand words:
>
> http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2005/04/28_steilm_e86sales/
>
> Another couple of articles on price:
>
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Savinganddebt/Saveonacar/P125241.asp
>
> http://web.extension.uiuc.edu/macon/rr/i1098_33.html
>
> Here's Big Oil, one of the real culprits in limiting E85:
>
> "Certainly, ethanol has its friends, like corn growers, and its
> enemies. In July, Corn Cob Bob, an ethanol industry mascot, was
> banished from Canada Day celebrations in Ottawa. Shell, a sponsor of
> the festivities, had expressed discomfort at the mascot's
> participation. "
>
> http://www.truthabouttrade.org/article.asp?id=4408
>
> And yes, there does appear to be a government subsidy. But as the
> market grows, and the technology matures, one would presume that those
> would go away.
>
> I also believe you have to look at some what we're spending in the
> Middle East as at least partially a fuel subsidy.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85
>
> Is E85 the total answer? Probably not. But (as one of the articles
> points out) most people that already drive an E85-equipped car don't
> even know it. As nob stated, we should be doing *everything* we can do
> reduce our dependence on oil. Letting people have the option, or simply
> making them aware that they already have the option, is a start.
>
> Setting and enforcing fleet mileage requirements would be another good
> step.
>
Ah, the obligatory government force.

> I look forward to a long and fruitful argument with you.
>
I look forward to a day when people realize that government usually does
more harm than good when it interferes in the market.


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