Re: The problem with 'borgs


"George Middius" <George_member@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
>
> Time for a prayer....
>
>>> Thank you for accrediting my views on audio. <G>
>
>> Aaaaw. I'm feeling left out. What are those views?
>>Are they limited only to DBT's?
>> What do you think of vinyl, George?
>>Do you prefer electrostats, cones or horns?
>
> Oh, so by "views" you actually meant "preferences". Forgive me for not
> grasping
> the Scottieness of your expression immediately.
>
> I don't have a turntable or any vinyl. I never owned a high-end turntable.
> I
> switched to CDs as soon as the equipment got reliable and affordable.

I sort of dropped out of music after I left college when CDs came on the
scene. Early 80's... my fav bands were dying...
anyway... I remember wandering into a record store in SoCal just after
moving
here in '85 and asking the guy... WTH happened to the records?
He cracked up. They had about 5 feet of records on the back wall.
I bought my first CD player.. a POS Hitachi... I still have it in my closet
of crap.

>
> I've only ever owned dynamic speakers (cones). I do like planars but
> they're
> tricky to set up. I've heard some that were badly situated. So have you, I
> understand.

Planar magnetics like Maggies? I've never had the pleasure to hear 'em
properly
set up IMO.

> I haven't had much experience with electrostatics, but if I were
> ever to get some, I'd go for very big ones.

Quad 989s are good sized but I didn't hear enough difference over
the 63's to warrant the cost (new vs used was huge) and I was adding a sub
anyway. They aren't as dynamic (meaning punch) as cones but there
is a smoothness and clarity about them that I just love. Very
non-fatiguing.

>
> But that's not what RAO is really about, is it?

Why not? ... that should be part of it.

> Here's my primary view: Nothing
> about consumer audio is subject to "proof" or "tests". Those are standards
> for
> the laboratories and design shops.

No argument from me. I don't think many feel strongly otherwise.

> If you think something is overpriced or
> underperforming, don't buy it. Do you buy music you don't like? Did you
> buy a
> car you don't like?

yeah, for the wife :)

> Do you go around campaigning to shut down the manufacturers
> of cars you don't like?

No, nor audio equipment.
>
> There's something nutty about people who rage impotently about Stereophile
> and
> expensive cables and all the other flashpoints you folks have.

Why do you always insist on misrepresenting me?
I'm not campaigning to shut down anybody.
I've simply said I'd prefer DBTs in their reviews.
And I think some equipment is technically a bad joke.

> Consumers don't
> do scientific testing because they are buying stuff for pleasure.
> Consumers
> don't need to "prove" what they heard really exists if they don't want to.

I don't think anyone disagrees. But Stereophile and manufacturers
aren't consumers.

>
> As an example, why do you think Stewrat Pinkerton is so antagonistic
> towards
> high-end audio? He had very similar experiences to John Atkinson. Both
> experimented with listening tests, and both came to the same conclusions.
> Yet
> Stewart is always proselytizing and being nasty about audio, while John
> has
> accepted the unresolved issues he's encountered. Maybe you can explain
> this
> divergence.

It's simple. They're not unresolved to Stuart. He knows some things
sound
different but I think he knows why they do.
John represents a publication that says some things sound different
but can't say why or show why or even prove that they do.
He caters to an elitist culture that has a bit of a chip that puts
more value on the ear than the equipment. You can hear it if you're
astute enough....
He also perpetuates a belief in magic. That there is much to be learned
in the field of audio... Engineers don't like magic or the unknown.
Their job is to make things known.
And John makes a career to some degree off perpetuating some
of those beliefs.

>
> The fact that you're so hostile to expensive audio gear prevents you from
> seeing
> how demented the hardcore 'borgs are.

WTF? Where have I expressed hostility to expensive gear? I'd love to
audition a
setup of MBL 101s. I'd like some Sound Labs.
I'm not to hip on Arcam CD players because I got one that must be broke
according
some.
I drooled all over that Mitchell Gyro and Forsell Air References that were
on
Audiogon last I looked.
If I'm hostile to stuff .. it isn't based on expense...its based on
technology.
Power conditioners for example is just a bunch of crap IMO.
Interconnects should NOT have a SOUND with good equipment.
Power cords are a friggin joke. etc.

> What do They gain from blowing snot all
> over audio discussions among Normals?

Too subjective for me to interpret.
Most of the "snot" is simple miscommunication IMO.
On the flip side....
Why do some so called Normals hate engineers?
Without them... they'd have nothing.
and Why are some absolutely technophobic?

>Why do They care who buys what stuff and
> how much they pay for it?

They don't.
They care about who is hawking it and for how much.
Big difference.

> Can't you see how irrational this behavior is?

What I see as irrational is your representation of their & my
(which may be different) position.
It's just wrong on so many levels.

ScottW


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