Re: Dogma, the false god of audio


"George Middius" <George_member@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
>
> Paulie "Mystic Dag" Packer dreams on.
>
> >I'm always fascinated by the endless evasions and loops western
> >scientists and philosophers use to get around the suggestion of a
> >possible spiritual dimension.
>
> Fascination at this behavior is misplaced. As you would know if you'd gone
to
> school, scientists are interested in evidence. The realm of spirituality
has no
> overlap with that of science.
>
Elaborating on this, science is merely a system of investigation. A
scientist can remove the words "belief" and "disbelief" from his head, and
still do his work.
A scientist
1. Establishes a domain of investigation
2. Creates theories that make predictions within that domain
3. Tests the theories with unbiased experiments.

In a physics class, a physicist says things like, "In our part of the
universe, such-and-such (ie., Newtonian mechanics) has always been confirmed
by experiment. This doesn't rule out other parts of the universe where it
may not." He then continues by adding, "This is what we mean by a 'physical
law'". Unfortunately, the public at large tends to pick up on the use of
the word "law", and put all kinds of things on it, such as "obey the
physical law", "always true", etc. Physical systems don't obey anything or
anybody. They just proceed, to within a certain degree of accuracy, to the
"physical law."

> >Once you accept that there exist higher dimensions,
>
> This is the premise that takes you outside the domain of science. Why
disparage
> scientists for failing to negate their vocational orientation? Anybody can
> fantasize and construct elaborate, imaginary "causes" for existence,
> consciousness, or sentience. What can't be tested is beyond the reach of
> science.
>
Yes, it is. But human as we are, many of us choose to hold more than one
belief system in our heads, and proceed as if they don't contradict each
other. Human life and misery being what it is, I wouldn't like to deprive
people of faith in untestable things. It gives people comfort. The
behavioral problem occurs when people try to use the implications of, say,
religious thought, to dictate to science, or the reverse. Ie., when people
try to make a religion of science, or a science of religion.

> If you're interpreting Einstein's comment about knowing the mind of God in
a
> literal sense, that would be a mistake.

Einstein said dozens of quotable things about God and religion. People pick
up on many of these things when they were just figures of speech. Everybody
wants Einstein on their side. He was a brilliant scientist. But as far as
spirituality goes, it turns out that he was a womanizer who had a child that
he never saw, though he did put the kid through college. So much for the
warmth and godliness of Einstein.
>
> I notice you're not toiling away in the trenches of science to extend
current
> knowledge into these "higher dimensions". What's stopping you from finding
out
> if your fantasies have a basis in reality?
>
Some fantasies can be true. Or maybe, "truth" is one more suspect concept.
Perhaps the universe is more subjective than we think.


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