Re: AFI's Top 100 Movies

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 23:12:48 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obveeus@xxxxxxx> wrote:


"David" <dimlan17@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 22:27:04 -0400, "Obveeus" <Obveeus@xxxxxxx> wrote:
My point is true for Academt Award voters as well.

Okay then who do you think should be entrusted with a "best of" list?

Other than me?

I saw that coming!

Do you really think that 'Dr. Zhivago' dropped 62+ places on the list
because of DVDs?
What about the 48 spot drop by 'African Queen' or the 56+ spot drop of
'Birth of a Nation'?

DVDs likely brought some movies to the forefront while other movies
faded. What else changed in the past 10 years that would explain it?

I already explained 'Birth of a Nation' as being a prime example of voters
'choosing one film from X'. Unless you think it is pure coincidense that
one move jump as the other dropped.

I don't see why the voters would make arbitrary changes. Aside from
DVDs there might be other explanations; maybe it demonstrates a change
of what's being taught in film schools in the last 10 years. But there
have to be explanations.

Shrek and Pirates would both be worthy. The first Shrek, in my opinion,
played a great amount of tribute to the film industry (even if it was
making
fun of Disney for the most part). Pirates has all the special effects
'bigness' of Spiderman, but actually has an intelligent/ logical plot.

You're out on a limb with your Spiderman hatred. The first movie got a
90% positive rating at Rotten Tomatoes, the second 93%, the third 61%

At least viewers of the third film recognise total crap when they see it.
One thing about Spiderman, though, people aren't going to see it for
'logical/intelligent' plot. Is it really a surprise to you that people
going to the theater for 'mindless entertainment' would give Spiderman a
good rating?

If you're not going to let film experts make a "best of" list then why
not base it on what providesgeneral audiences the most mindless
entertainment?

"Pirates 1" got 79%, 54% for second, and the third 46%.

I've seen several internet complaints about the plotline being 'too
complicated'. That type of complaint will likely serve the third Pirates
well in the 'long term view'.

"Shrek" got 89%, 88%, and 41%

(yes, I know, you'll point out that it only measures movie critics,
and the IMDB ratings only represent IMDB users, and the box office
doesn't reflect a movie's quality... which takes us back to the first
question, who do you think should be entrusted with defining "great"
movies?)

Just looking at the ratings for Shrek 2 and Shrek 3 I can say without a
doubt that anyone that rated 2 as good and 3 as bad should not be entrusted
to vote in any 'best of' list.

I thought "Shrek 2" was fresh and funny. "Shrek 3" was the very
definition of cashing in. And "Pirates" plots are overwhelmed by
weirdness and special-effects and run 40 minutes too long, leaving
viewers dazed and confused.
.

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