Re: AJL snippet: Critics

All those posts in which you complained about my calling you by your
last name when I had, in fact, not done so (you can look it up)

You *hadn't* done so?

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/e81e070fc36de605?hl=es&;


Stephen, I have no interest in continuing this. You've proved, by your
linking to a post in which I did NOT refer to you by your last name,
that you'll use almost any excuse to treat us all to a lecture on bad
manners. For those who failed to click, the link leads to my post of
May 20:

<quote>In examining the "riskiest venture in the history of English
theatre"
question, it makes sense to think like an investor.
You've got 50,000 pounds to invest. Would you be better off putting it

in a single-set show involving lauded poet T. S. Eliot, the young
composer of Evita and Jesus Christ Superstar, both of which produced
chart-topping singles and RSC director Trevor Nunn? Or an expensive
multi-set show by American jingle-writer Joe Brooks, director Jerome
Savary, and bookwriter Dusty Hughes?

I'm well aware of the Farrow assessment of Metropolis: that's why I
used it as an example. I think we'd all agree that ALL theatre
involves a great deal of risk. And it's hard for me to evaluate this
Brits-can't-dance perception, since there was good dancing in my
productions over there (the fifth comes this summer). But it doesn't
take a seer to see that a musical by the composer of a couple of major
West End hits is a safer bet than most ventures, even if it involves -
gasp! - choreography. <endquote>


Your "assessment" (not you) is referred to as "the Farrow assessment"
just as E=MC squared is referred to, popularly, as "the Einstein
theorem" rather than "the Albert theorem."


And it wasn't the first time. And I don't recall *all those* posts in
which I complained about your appalling lack of manners. I recall one
or two. A google search will back that up.

Except it doesn't:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/e0501c445a3f2cf4?hl=en&;

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/41737555accb0883?hl=en&;

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/d1f706b5a96fd65f?hl=en&;

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/7175b2acd1319b9b

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/bd24a6631aba4c86

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/da46dbcd295dd4c0

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/b029b89b18cfdb9f

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/a4e65b3ff9f702d7

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.theatre.musicals/msg/47b7c710458ec70e


are just a few of your posts devoted to the fascinating subject of my
manners.

Full disclosure: a number of years ago, in many different posts, I DID
refer to you by your last name. I thought this a helpful way of
distinguishing you from another Stephen I made reference to at the
time. You didn't complain then. No one did. It was, therefore,
surprising, to see you go on and on about the perceived slight of "the
Farrow assessment" in 2006.


the roughly one out of every 500
posts I spend offering small suggestions for a kinder gentler ratm,
more inviting to newbies - posts that have had some positive effects in
the past

There's a difference between
your condescending "state-of-the-newsgroup" pronouncements and a post
taking direct issue with something somebody said. I'm not surprised you
don't see it.

Oh, I see a difference: One is polite and seeks peace; the other is
combative and can easily lead to an escalation of hostilities.

Here's an illustration:
1) a general suggestion, the Katz way:

Since newbies come here, with a limited amount of knowledge, sometimes
seeking to learn, it might be better if people thought twice before
posting a message consisting of nothing but a pronouncement that
another poster is stupid. It's not exactly welcoming, and we could use
more participants.

2) a post taking direct issue with something somebody said, the Stephen
alternative:

In post after post, Stephen, you declare that some other poster is
stupid. Sometimes you tell people to read newspapers, implying (well,
asserting, really) that you do and the other poster doesn't. You told
me I didn't understand a play that I had seen and you'd read because
you refuse to accept that someone can understand something and come to
a different view than yours. I've talked to people who've briefly
lurked and decided not to stick around because of this
disagree-with-me-then-you're-an-idiot attitude of yours. You're
driving people away with your congenital need to assert your
intellectual superiority.

p.s. to all,
I'm truly sorry to have wasted time on this subject. Some have the
presence of mind to ignore do-as-I-say-not-as-I-do; much as I endeavor
to resist calling people on their hypocrisy, I don't always succeed.

.

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