Re: Conservative songs?

Judy wrote:
Mark Cipra wrote:

John W. Kennedy wrote:

Judy wrote:

John W. Kennedy wrote:


Judy wrote:


John W. Kennedy wrote:


kathorn1@xxxxxxx wrote:


Hiya, it's me. Just "surfed on in." I must say I HATE the
google interface I have to ratm. Big part of me hardly
posting. Unix RULES and Bill Gates IS the anti-Christ.



The fault lies not in Bill Gates, but in your ISP.

-- at least, if your ISP is too cheap to offer a news server.

Even (choke! gag!) Outlook Express gives tolerable newsgroup
support. In this matter, it's Apple that's curiously out to
lunch. (I installed Thunderbird on my wife's Powerbook.)


I use a Mac, John, and I can easily turn newsgroups on an off
through Netscape. (No Windows. No Internet Explorer. Security
through obscurity?)


Netscape is not part of MacOS X. No newsreader is (unless,
perhaps, there's some old Unix command-line newsreader -- I
haven't looked). As I said, I installed Thunderbird (which is the
lineal descendant of the mail/news part of Netscape) on my wife's
system.


I run OS X on my iMac G5. I downloaded Netscape. I believe the
computer came with Explorer installed. It's there, but I've never
used it. I also downloaded Firefox which I quite like.

Older versions of MacOS X came with Internet Explorer -- indeed,
it's still there in the latest version, though no longer supported.
Newer versions come with an Apple-only browser, Safari, which is
quite nice. Neither one, however, does mail or news. MacOS X also
now comes with a very nice Mail program, but it does only e-mail,
not newsgroups.

You seem confused about what has happened with Netscape in recent
years. They contributed all their code to an open-source
organization called Mozilla (which had been the original code-name
for Netscape -- a monster based on Mosaic -- get it?). They
eventually came out with a new program also called Mozilla, which
was then picked up by Netscape and used as
the basis for Netscape 6 and Netscape 7, which were essentially
Mozilla with some extra bells and whistles.

Mozilla was such a large program that its maintainers decided to
split it up. The browser became Firefox (after temporary names
Phoenix and Firebird), the web/mail portion became Thunderbird, and
the webpage designer was given to Disruptive Innovations, who made
it the basis of Nvu. All three are available for MacOS X. Mozilla
is now the name of an organization only, not a program. However,
some people who object (on grounds that aren't too clear to me) to
the separation have taken Firefox and Thunderbird and recombined
them into a package called SeaMonkey.



I'm saving these paragraphs for the next time someone tells me "Use
a Mac, it's easier".


Firefox is the basis of Netscape 8, which is only a browser.

I suppose you are using Netscape 7. You might want to look into
replacing it with Firefox (or Netscape 8, if you want the extra
Netscape stuff) and Thunderbird. As far as I know, Thunderbird is
still
compatible enough that you should be able to go on using the same
mail files; that may not be true forever.

(I should add that the Mozilla group also has an alternate version
of Firefox that is especially customized for MacOS X; it's called
Camino. I don't know much about it.)




--
Mark Cipra
Examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion
that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush presidency is Warren
Harding. - Steve Mirsky
Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in my address to reply by email.


Don't be dissuaded, Mark. It is easier. I use Macs and PCs
and my first computer in about 1984-5 was a Unix box. The
person I go to for advice when I need help is a friend of my
son's. When he was in the military, he was Director of
Computer Operations at the Pentagon which, when he got
there, was a mix of Macs and PCs. He converted it all to
PCs, but he uses Macs at home. I'm using Netscape now for
email and newsgroups. I use it and Firefox as browsers. It
can be as complicated or simple as one makes it. I'm not
partial to Safari, though it was installed on my last two
Macs. I have nothing against it, but I suppose I'm a
creature of habit. Mosaic was my first and is a distant memory.

It was just a joke, Judy. (Seems like a line Sondheim could do something
with ...)

I'm a confirmed user of PCs, for all their myriad faults, because I don't
really need "easy". Macs have never been any good in the area I work
professionally in (database development, primarily), and are always a
minimum of a generation behind on many heavyweight business applications I
need. This may not be Apple's fault, but it doesn't make any difference in
the real world - they just don't work as well. Meantime, I know Macs are
much more advanced in a number of areas such as integration of graphics and
sound. Unfortunately, these are my lowest priority needs.

But I do my best to use non-Microsoft applications when I can. I use
Mozilla Firefox for browsing, for example.

--
Mark Cipra
Examination of the available data leads only to the conclusion
that the biggest beneficiary of the Bush presidency is Warren Harding.
- Steve Mirsky
Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in my address to reply by email.


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