Re: Conservative songs?

Mark Cipra wrote:
John W. Kennedy wrote:
Judy wrote:
John W. Kennedy wrote:

Judy wrote:

John W. Kennedy wrote:

kathorn1@xxxxxxx wrote:

Hiya, it's me. Just "surfed on in." I must say I HATE the
google interface I have to ratm. Big part of me hardly posting.
Unix RULES and Bill Gates IS the anti-Christ.


The fault lies not in Bill Gates, but in your ISP.

-- at least, if your ISP is too cheap to offer a news server.

Even (choke! gag!) Outlook Express gives tolerable newsgroup
support. In this matter, it's Apple that's curiously out to lunch.
(I installed Thunderbird on my wife's Powerbook.)

I use a Mac, John, and I can easily turn newsgroups on an off
through Netscape. (No Windows. No Internet Explorer. Security
through obscurity?)

Netscape is not part of MacOS X. No newsreader is (unless, perhaps,
there's some old Unix command-line newsreader -- I haven't looked).
As I said, I installed Thunderbird (which is the lineal descendant
of the mail/news part of Netscape) on my wife's system.

I run OS X on my iMac G5. I downloaded Netscape. I believe the
computer came with Explorer installed. It's there, but I've never
used it. I also downloaded Firefox which I quite like.
Older versions of MacOS X came with Internet Explorer -- indeed, it's
still there in the latest version, though no longer supported. Newer
versions come with an Apple-only browser, Safari, which is quite nice.
Neither one, however, does mail or news. MacOS X also now comes with a
very nice Mail program, but it does only e-mail, not newsgroups.

You seem confused about what has happened with Netscape in recent
years. They contributed all their code to an open-source organization
called Mozilla (which had been the original code-name for Netscape --
a monster based on Mosaic -- get it?). They eventually came out with
a new program also called Mozilla, which was then picked up by
Netscape and used as
the basis for Netscape 6 and Netscape 7, which were essentially
Mozilla with some extra bells and whistles.

Mozilla was such a large program that its maintainers decided to split
it up. The browser became Firefox (after temporary names Phoenix and
Firebird), the web/mail portion became Thunderbird, and the webpage
designer was given to Disruptive Innovations, who made it the basis of
Nvu. All three are available for MacOS X. Mozilla is now the name of
an organization only, not a program. However, some people who object
(on grounds that aren't too clear to me) to the separation have taken
Firefox and Thunderbird and recombined them into a package called
SeaMonkey.


I'm saving these paragraphs for the next time someone tells me "Use a Mac,
it's easier".

None of this has anything to do with the Mac in particular. The Mozilla family of software, like the Netscape family before it, runs equally on Windows, MacOS X, and various **ix systems, the only exception being that Camino (alternate version of Firefox) runs only on MacOS X.

The only complaint I have anent MacOS X in this respect is what I said in the first place: MacOS X does not include any newsreader at all, unless, perhaps, it includes some ancient Unix command-line reader.

For the rest, the Mac generally /is/ easier, and I say that as someone who wrote his first program in 1965, who got his first IBM PC in 1982, and was an occasional user of Windows as early as 1.0. In fact, I've already decided that my next computer will be a Mac, and am now engaged in making sure that all my Windows software has a parallel Mac version and converting a quarter-century of files to use such software. (I'd go with Linux, but I need some consumer-type applications that simply don't offer that choice.)

Firefox is the basis of Netscape 8, which is only a browser.

I suppose you are using Netscape 7. You might want to look into
replacing it with Firefox (or Netscape 8, if you want the extra
Netscape stuff) and Thunderbird. As far as I know, Thunderbird is
still
compatible enough that you should be able to go on using the same mail
files; that may not be true forever.

(I should add that the Mozilla group also has an alternate version of
Firefox that is especially customized for MacOS X; it's called
Camino. I don't know much about it.)



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Nourished the land on a fallacy of rational virtue."
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