Re: Serial Electric Hybrid (Re: The Financial Crisis is much worse than you think....)

David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 07:21:27 -0800 (PST), cryptoguy
<treifamily@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Nov 11, 11:27 pm, "David V. Loewe, Jr" <davelo...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:58:38 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.use...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 18:17:51 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.use...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:40:45 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.use...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
David Loewe, Jr. wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:51:40 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.use...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
David V. Loewe, Jr wrote:
On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 08:30:07 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.use...@xxxxxxx> wrote:
Scott Lurndal wrote:

The Aptera (upthread) is expected at $27k.

Which is an awful lot of money for a slow,

The Wikipedia article on the vehicle claims a top speed of
85 mph.
There is no posted US speed limit that high.

Which affects the point in what manner?

Something that can go faster than any American speed limit
(and it is only as high as 80 mph in certain west Texas
counties on the Interstate) is not "slow" for American
highways. Is it as fast as my Honda V65 Magna (top speed 173
mph) motorcycle? No. But, not being "the world's faster
production motorcycle" does not mean it is "slow."

It is slow compared to a 250cc entry-level commuter bike as
well. So it is slow.

You're hopeless...

So would you pay 27,000 bucks for a motorcycle that couldn't
keep
up with a Kawasaki 250?

I said it was NOT "slow." That is ALL I said. You people need to
quit reading more than is there into various missives.

I don't see an answer there.

And, as long as you are being combative about it, you won't get a
definitive answer.

Would you or would you not pay 27,000 bucks for a motorcycle that
could not keep up with a Kawasaki 250 and if not why not?

First off, it is not really a motorcycle since it "seats 2 adults
with a child seat optionally between them, and has 15.9 cubic feet
(450 L) of cargo capacity, enough for a couple of surfboards." I'd
like to see you carry an adult AND a child on a 250 Kawa (hell,
I'd
like to see a 250 Kawa carry two adults). I'd like to see you
carry
two surfboards on a 250 Kawa. Even the mighty Goldwing has only a
third of that cargo capacity.

Done:
http://blog.kis.ac.th/cassiesthaiblog/files/2007/09/rod_bangkok-scooter1.jpg

That first picture isn't loading for me, Peter. What am I supposed
to
see?

http://www.joehauler.com/steelfab/images/650surfracks2.jpg

(admittedly, there is only one board on the bike, but you could
carry another on the other side).

Point for you. But, can you carry 15 bags of groceries?

One thing that J. Clarke keeps ignoring is that this thing is pretty
much a commuter car and isn't going to be doing a lot of the type of
driving he is claiming it cannot do.

In other words you admit that it's unsuited for long distances on
Interstate highways. So why have a long range then? Further, if it
has 45 inches of crush space in front and 7+feet behind and room for
2+1 passengers then it has to be about 16 feet long (and I've seen an
estimate based on scaling from the photos that it's about that), which
puts it in SUV territory, not commuter car.

And I don't know if one can get 15 bags of groceries in a full dress
Wing with a hack, but I suspect that one can come pretty close.

As for it not being a motorcycle, Aptera _says_ that it's a
motorcycle. Do they lie?

Regardless, I'll believe that it does everything they say it does
including the safety when somebody has tested a production article and
they've provided real crash test results and not computer models.

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