Re: Grammar question - is "hir" grammatically correct?

On Sep 27, 3:38 pm, erilar <dra...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In article <1190738758.794376.323...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Ben Goodman <good...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well yes. When I said High German, I included Old High German because
I was using the High German Consanant Shift as the defining
characteristic of High German. The canonical example of the High
German Consonant Shift is the t -> ss shift of water (English and
Dutch) to Wasser (German). The HGCS was after the split because
English, Dutch, Frisian, and Low German don't (or mostly don't) have
it.

North German dialects don't have it. Southern German dialects have a
further set of shifts. Modern Hochdeutsch is much closer to the middle
German dialects, which have one set of shifts, but not the southern
ones.

And you can't pin a set time to any sound shift--it's always gradual.


You can't pinpoint it exactly, no. But you can put general times to
when the change becomes pervasive or when it's realized and spelling
(or pronounciation guides in more modern times) change.

My dad grew up on an almond orchard in Northern California. He always
pronounced the nut with the same al as in salmon (like the a in cat
and the l silent). He used to always get on my mom's case when she
would say it with the al as in walk (like the ah in "Ah hah!" and the
l silent) although this is more standard. Older dictionaries always
list only those two pronounciations. Most of my peers growing up would
say the l. Newer dictionaries usually add that third pronounciation
and maybe another alternate or two.

.

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