Re: pseudo-YASID: realistic treatment of superpowers

In article <1148841391.087961.215470@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Peter Meilinger <p_meilinger@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yeah, but the way I remember it, he didn't grab and *** the guns
until after Charles had Sabretooth grab him. Am I remembering
that wrong?

Even if you are remembering it correctly: Xavier is hesitant to kill, and he
did not react enough to *stop* the guns from being pointed at the cops. At
that point, there was nothing he could do, unless he wanted to have a bunch of
cops possibly die.

While "he's only human" may not technically apply to Xavier, the sentiment is
still there: I simply cannot blame him for being a cold-blooded murderer,
when he is faced with the choice. And he had a choice there -- his real
failing, I think, would be that he did not think Magneto would act as he did.

Then why does Charles still associate with Logan, who julienned
a number of soldiers in the second movie? Self defense, yes,
but then we've also got Storm apparently killing a helpless Toad
in the first movie. Sure he's not really dead because we never
saw the body, but she sure seemed to be trying to kill him.

First, Toad isn't dead -- I believe we see him (unnamed, and very briefly) in
the third movie :).

Second... yes. Self defense. And defense of others. Involving protecting
Xavier's children against kidnapping. Why *wouldn't* he? The authorities
*did* get involved in that, and Xavier did not end up in prison. Neither did
Wolverine. Nor anyone else from the X-men. Nor are they being persued by the
law.

So I'm not seeing, at all, how that contradicts with "the good guys follow the
law."

Given Magneto's avowed mission, I'm having a hard time
believing Charles is waiting for him to actually kill every
human on Earth before unleashing enough force to
actually stop the guy.

Magneto's stated goal is for the mutants to survive. That's Charles' goal as
well. They differ in their methods and limits.

That's what makes the characters so compelling.

Was it ever clear that Stryker(?) was operating under orders
instead of on his own Mad Crusade (tm)?

The President told him to go do it, after the assasination attempt. Of
course, that assasination attempt was orchestrated *by* Stryker, for the
purpose of being allowed to wipe out mutantkind. We saw no evidence that the
President knew the details... but he *did* authorize Stryker to use force, and
he *did* caution him to avoid publicity -- "These are *children*" was said,
yes?

As I said: that's plausible deniability. Except for the fact that that world
has a goodly number of telepaths, and one of them has presented the evidence
to the President. The movie's ending is somewhat ambiguous; the best reading
I can make of it is that the President backed down, realized he'd been
manipulated, and decided to change political positions. That it was blackmail
is left out in the open, with nobody talking about it :).

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