Re: Storm of Swords (Spoilers): AAAARRRGGGGHHHHH!!!!!!

"Elio M. Garcia Jr." <elio@xxxxxxxx> wrote in
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> On Fri, 30 Sep 2005 10:27:22 -0400, Blake Hyde wrote:
>
>> Mike Ward wrote:
>
>>> Catelyn is just bad writing in action. She's not a "real" character.
>>> She's merely a cheap plot device to keep the story moving. She
>>> provides Martin with excuses to ship Jon off to the well, spark the
>>> civil war between the Starks and Lannisters, get Robb killed, and
>>> free Jaime. She does not behave rationaly: she does whatever she
>>> needs to do to get Martin to the next chapter.
>>
>> That's unfair. From her perspective, she does behave rationally...
>> she's just not very smart.
>
> From any perspective, she's pretty rational. Her fears regarding
> Jon are
> well-founded, given Daemon Blackfyre.

There's no indication that she fears Jon.

> Her capturing Tyrion was
> well-founded, given the information she had.

She had almost no information and what little she had came from someone
she should have known not to trust.

> Robb's death was none of
> her doing, and claiming otherwise seems silly.

Robb's as much to blame as Catelyn, but Catelyn is the source of the bad
advice that Robb follows. Martin simply uses her to give Robb a reason
to make bad choices.

> And freeing Jaime?
> Perfectly rational, given that she had a promise sworn to her from the
> Iron Throne from the Hand of the King that Jaime's return would lead
> to the return of her daughters. A private promise might be disbelieved
> on the theory that Lannisters lie. But in public? The Lannisters are
> concerned about appearances.

Catylen herself has little hope that releasing Jaime will free her
daughters.

>
> Ultimately, the reason people quibble so much is it's that her
> priorities are not necessarily the same as everyone else's -- "Family"
> comes first in her House's motto, and that's who she focuses on,
> sometimes to the exclusion of all else.
>
>> She's a realistic character.
>
> I concur. She's an amazingly well-drawn character. Neither all
> good or all
> bad. She's mostly good -- she's simply fortune's fool for large parts
> of the story.
>

.

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