Re: OT Anybody been watching Doctor Who?

On Jul 10, 11:36 pm, Josh Hill <userepl...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:14:26 -0700 (PDT), Duggy

<Paul.Dug...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 2, 6:09 am, Josh Hill <userepl...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hey, *I'm* insular and stupid.
Seriously, I don't think most Americans know or care. They're just
getting on with their lives. The rest of us just think it's Europeans
(the usual culprits, from what I've seen) being snooty.
No, it's just the Europeans that you care enough about.
It's the whole world. Including Australia.
The thing is, the world has been saying outrageous things about
Americans as long as I can remember. After a while, you just roll your
eyes and accept the fact that you're going to hear a cockamamie
mixture of fact, misinterpreted fact, and fiction.

Ah, so your reaction to the rest of the world being annoyed that your
ignore them is to ignore them.

But what exactly do those test scores mean, except that there's a huge
gulf between European- and Asian-Americans on one hand and
African-Americans and Latino immigrants on the other? It's easy to
maintain high test scores in a homogeneous society with a strong work
ethic.

Because the US is the only country with immigrants... riiiight.

The origin of an accent is meaningless.
But you're talking about a Pakistani accent as native to Pakistan,

No, I'm talking about the accent of people of Pakistani descent who
live in England, which is different to the regional accents in PAKS
and b-TAN.

I saw a doco once that had child of immigrants who lived in Northern
England and it was interesting to hear how different the Northern-
Pakistani accent was to the London-Pakistani accent (which I was more
used to). It's amazing to hear a northern twang in a non-English
accent.

e.g., that would be the same whether the speaker were in Pakistan,
England, or the US? The distinction I'm making is between whether an
accent is native or not, e.g., if I were to move to the UK and become
a British subject, my accent wouldn't be considered a British one, but
an American one.

Yes, and if your kids lived on an estate with lots of other American-
English kids and all had the same English-US accent then it'd be a
type of English accent.

Do you consider an Italian-American in NY to have an Italian accent or
an American accent?

Probably explains why you use the New Zealand or British accent so
often and claim it's Australian.
I could never distinguish between a New Zealand and an Australian
accent. The actors in the New Zealand-produced TV shows of a few years
back hid their accents

Yeah. They do in a lot of stuff if they're aiming to sell to the US
market because there are some simple minded Americans who don't like
to hear foreign accents. (Hey, they re-dubbed Mad Max.)

and while I've known a number of Australians
don't think I've ever known a New Zealander.

That probably why you could never distinguish between the accents.

There are a couple of watered down Moari accents in the Star Wars ep
II & III.

Flight of the Conchords is probably a good US show to here the white
NZ accent.

And the BBC --
from the perspective of an American, British attempts at an American
accent are just as laughable as American attempts at a British one are
to the British.

There's a number of US actors who work in the UK playing Americans who
have extraordinarily bad US accents.

In an ideal world, I suppose the BBC
would use only American actors in American roles

Not really, no. The same 3 or 4 American appear in a lot of British
stuff (and not just on the BBC) and it becomes annoying seeing them
all the time.

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